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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 2:51 pm
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How does stopover?

I meant to post "how does stopover work"

My understanding is that if I fly yvr-hkg-tpe-hkg-yvr i can stopover twice in HKG?

But the MPC agent keep telling me that TPE is a stopover, therefore I can only stopover once in HKG instead of the planned twice.

Is that true or did I misunderstand something?

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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 4:25 pm
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Are you talking about AM award? The turnaround point is indeed a stopover (I don't know if that is still the case if you are staying at the turnaround point for < 24 hours for a RT award).
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 4:44 pm
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
Are you talking about AM award? The turnaround point is indeed a stopover (I don't know if that is still the case if you are staying at the turnaround point for < 24 hours for a RT award).
Thanks cxfan1960 it is an AM award. Let me call and ask again, my turnaround point was <24 hours and they still consider it as a stopover.

So in my case any suggestions on how can I max out my ticket and get 2 stopover and 1 openjaw?
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 5:25 pm
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Demand them to code it as a transit
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 5:36 pm
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Demand them to code it as a transit
how can i do that?
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Old Dec 9, 2015 | 5:52 pm
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they still wont let me have 2 stopovers in hkg

So I end up changing it to yvr-hkg-tpe//khh-hkg-yvr which with an openjaw they let me have 2 stopovers. I guess thats the only way to max out my itinerary.

RMQ is closer but CX/KA only have afternoon and i was aiming for an late night flight
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 12:07 am
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Originally Posted by jkuok
they still wont let me have 2 stopovers in hkg

So I end up changing it to yvr-hkg-tpe//khh-hkg-yvr which with an openjaw they let me have 2 stopovers. I guess thats the only way to max out my itinerary.

RMQ is closer but CX/KA only have afternoon and i was aiming for an late night flight
That's what I was afraid of. The turnaround point of a RT is considered a stopover regardless. It is silly to force a passenger to go for an open jaw that way, but I guess this is the way...
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 1:19 am
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Originally Posted by cxfan1960
That's what I was afraid of. The turnaround point of a RT is considered a stopover regardless. It is silly to force a passenger to go for an open jaw that way, but I guess this is the way...
i thought chrisli had a HKG-xNRT-xSIN-HKG ticket a few years back...
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 1:31 am
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Thanks guys, I guess openjaw is the only way to get 2 stopovers in HKG
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 2:41 am
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Be careful. If you book say XXX - HKG - YYY on AM redemption, the website will immediately give you CONNECTING flights, meaning arrival into HKG and departure from HKG are within 24 hours.

Once the ticket is issued and you want to now STOPOVER in HKG for more than 24 hours by changing either the inbound or outbound segments or both - this will necessitate a REISSUANCE that costs 10,000 AM or US$100 and not just a simple REBOOKING that costs 1,000 AM or US$25.

Same if you are to change in reverse from connecting flights over 24 hours to those that are within 24 hours.
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 4:28 am
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Originally Posted by carrotjuice
Be careful. If you book say XXX - HKG - YYY on AM redemption, the website will immediately give you CONNECTING flights, meaning arrival into HKG and departure from HKG are within 24 hours.

Once the ticket is issued and you want to now STOPOVER in HKG for more than 24 hours by changing either the inbound or outbound segments or both - this will necessitate a REISSUANCE that costs 10,000 AM or US$100 and not just a simple REBOOKING that costs 1,000 AM or US$25.

Same if you are to change in reverse from connecting flights over 24 hours to those that are within 24 hours.
Thanks carrotjuice, it is my understanding that stopover of >24 hours can only be book by phone?

When is it reinsurance and when is it rebooking?

Is it rebooking on the same flight so no itinerary change but reinsurance is sector changes?
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 7:34 am
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I Just got tickets for LAX - HKG - PEK - HKG - LAX. As a mlti City flight, because is more easy that way and i only end up paying 7 usd more for each ticket.

I am staying in HKG most of the time, just 2 days in PEK (i think is like 14-28 april HKG, 28-30 PEK, 30 april -5 May HKG)
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 8:25 am
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Originally Posted by jkuok
Thanks carrotjuice, it is my understanding that stopover of >24 hours can only be book by phone?

When is it reinsurance and when is it rebooking?

Is it rebooking on the same flight so no itinerary change but reinsurance is sector changes?
Essentially, rebooking is something that does not require the cancellation of old ticket and reissuing of new ticket.

Say you book XXX - HKG - YYY where HKG is transit of less than 24 hours. Some examples:
- To change date and time of XXX - HKG - YYY is rebooking if HKG transit is still less than 24 hours.
- But if HKG transit is now changed to over 24 hours then it effectively becomes XXX - HKG and HKG - YYY hence it's reissuance. Likewise vice versa, from transit of more than 24 hours to one of less than 24 hours.
- If you change to XXX - YYY direct bypassing HKG, then it's reissuance.
- If you reroute to XXX - AAA - YYY by going via AAA and not HKG, again it's reissuance.

If return ticket XXX - YYY - XXX, changing date or time of either XXX - YYY or YYY - XXX is rebooking.
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 8:27 am
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Originally Posted by jkuok
Thanks carrotjuice, it is my understanding that stopover of >24 hours can only be book by phone?

When is it reinsurance and when is it rebooking?

Is it rebooking on the same flight so no itinerary change but reinsurance is sector changes?
Yes stopovers exceeding 24 hours can only be booked by phone.

Essentially, rebooking is something that does not require the cancellation of old ticket and reissuing of new ticket.

Say you book XXX - HKG - YYY where HKG is transit of less than 24 hours. Some examples:
- To change date and time of XXX - HKG - YYY is rebooking if HKG transit is still less than 24 hours.
- But if HKG transit is now changed to over 24 hours then it effectively becomes XXX - HKG and HKG - YYY hence it's reissuance. Likewise vice versa, from transit of more than 24 hours to one of less than 24 hours.
- If you change to XXX - YYY direct bypassing HKG, then it's reissuance.
- If you reroute to XXX - AAA - YYY by going via AAA and not HKG, again it's reissuance.

If return ticket XXX - YYY - XXX, changing date or time of either XXX - YYY or YYY - XXX is rebooking.
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Old Dec 10, 2015 | 12:09 pm
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I can't dig out any example now, but based on my understanding and experience, I think OP is right. He can stopover at HKG twice and transit at the turnaround point under an AM award.
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