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APeverell Dec 1, 2015 5:03 pm


Originally Posted by JALPak (Post 25796957)
Quote:





Originally Posted by AmexCent


On the subject of PJ, I remember on my NRT-LAX-NRT flight on JL J, the FA came asking if I need something that looks like a shirt to put on. It's not a PJ, and I am sure it's not a blanket, it's something to wear. Anyone know what that is and what that is for? Thanks!




cardigan and it is for use during the flight only. you are expected to return it at the end of the flight

So it's like blanket, cleaned after every use?

schranerli Dec 1, 2015 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by JALPak (Post 25796957)
cardigan and it is for use during the flight only. you are expected to return it at the end of the flight

seriously? they want it back? hope they'll wash it, before giving it to the next passenger ;)

ANZ787900 Dec 2, 2015 1:46 am


Originally Posted by schranerli (Post 25799614)
seriously? they want it back? hope they'll wash it, before giving it to the next passenger ;)

NH does exactly the same.. Pity, it was so comfortable.

schranerli Dec 2, 2015 6:04 am


Originally Posted by ANZ787900 (Post 25799925)
NH does exactly the same.. Pity, it was so comfortable.

Did you ask, if you can keep it?

someone got a photo of one of those things???

KACommuter Dec 2, 2015 6:08 am


Originally Posted by jagmeets (Post 25795507)
Pray, tell which is the other thread to spend a few minutes on, before calling it a night!?

The "sex in double suites" thread for SQ.

200nites Dec 2, 2015 10:51 am


Originally Posted by tng11 (Post 25796214)
After a couple more experiences flying F with different carriers after my last longhaul CX F segment in April 2014, a couple of comments:

Overall, I think CX is not the "best" at anything but I'd say it's a very well rounded F product. Seems like with any product there's a bunch of trade offs.

Food & Beverage is the low point of CX F for sure. However, I'm not convinced that F food in the air is all that great compared to what you get for shelling out $50-$100 for a real meal on the ground. If we're really going to base our decision on which F to fly based on food, it's would be only JL F or NH F that is worth flying. I personally place a much lower priority on the food than I used to, since I prefer to eat before flying these days.

The CX F bed is not the "best", but not among the worst. Aside from the LH F 744 separate bed setup, I think QF and SQ have better beds than CX.

The ground services are seriously lacking. Haven't been to the Pier, but the lack of an exclusive F lounge or an escort service leaves them behind the likes of LH, EK or SQ for instance. But, IMO carriers like JL, OZ and NH have worse lounge products.

The crews seem to be what can tip the experience into a great or bad one. I was lucky to have consistently great and attentive crews on all my CX F flights, without them being overly intrusive (*cough*SQ*cough*). Each crew did their own little thing to make the flight memorable, and offered proactive service (e.g. I've had 2 crews give me spare boxes of pralines when seeing how much I enjoyed them.)

Fair observation. I'd add that if you are a respectful, cheerful passenger you will get a lot better service. Regardless of Cx standards for flight crews they are people and respond better to positive passengers.

IMHO Night flights are for quick early meal & then sleeping. If I wanted to stay up, I'd take AA and listen to flight crew chatter the entire flight while marching with heavy feet up and down the aisles.

I do miss the Peninsula chocolates at HKG and accept the fact that even with recent make overs the lounges just get overwhelmed at peak periods.

Finally, with re: to hard product. I'd rate CX the best with a very comfortable, wide seat combined with the best Entertainment offerings in the sky. As a comparison, I find Sing Air F seats too narrow (now i'm tall and 205lbs), ANA comfortable seat but limited entertainment, LX just a tad below on both (nice color scheme though).

Happy Dec 2, 2015 11:19 am


Originally Posted by Kat007 (Post 25789104)
I wish that was the case here, but I guess you judge for yourself and present such behavior yourself.

I had a great day, but CX surely spoiled it for me.

P.S. Your comment about "king sitting there" is just too silly. I fly in F very frequent, so that newbie attitude you describe is opposite from my behavior.


Originally Posted by Daffie (Post 25789386)
Yeah, seems like you do fly in F quite regularly.

Perhaps you should continue churning all those credit cards of yours and try United First next?

I am surprised virtually all of you miss the post from Daffie and the link he provided - If you care to go read that post from the OP who started this thread and then claimed he "fly in F very frequent, so that newbie attitude you describe is opposite from my behavior." you would realize it is a blatant lie.

His other post clearly indicated OTHERWISE.

Here is the little gem before OP edited it out.

Oct 4, 15, 12:16 am #1
Kat007


Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: East Coast
Posts: 854

Lounges for Suite passengers in SIN
I am reading some blogs, and a bit confused. If I want to go to Private Rooms, then they are located in SilverKris Lounge T3 inside of First class lounge, which is inside of Business class lounge?

And is it true that Private Rooms are not that nice anymore? Also, is there much difference between First Class lounge food and Private Room food? I saw a very (!) limited buffet at Private Room, and I guess they want you to order a la cart (not like in FRA where LH has pretty extensive buffet options along with a la cart).

Thank you
.................................................. .................................................. ..............

He had not the slightest idea how SQ PR works. Obviously all his "experiences" were from reading various blogs, quite the contrary from his proclamation of his F flying experiences.


Originally Posted by Rivarix (Post 25793837)
Probably people in AA forum? :D

And people who read the blogs which constantly touted certain airlines F cabins / services / lounges, have unrealistic expectation. So after they got enough miles they wanted to fly the "best F products" for the "aspirational experiences". Hence you see the SQ Suite, LH F Terminal and the CX F etc. Well at least we have not read a comparison with EK and EY, yet. ;)

This thread is truly a joke by someone whose experiences on flying F probably only once each airline, and only from redemption tickets thanks to the unique situation in US that cards sign up bonuses are lucrative plus people can churn their ways to millions of miles to then have "aspiratiional experiences". Nothing wrong with that. If you can do it, then great for you. But to come here to proclaim the dissatisfaction, especially the part not able to fleece out 2 PJs (or grab as many toothbrushes/toothpastes from the Lav drawers as he could), is really over the top, not to mention the truly laughable claim that he "fly in F very frequent".

Why would the CX regulars take this thread seriously? All you guys need to do is to read that post in Oct by the OP on SQ lounge you will then not to be bothered by OP's comments. :p

Happy Dec 2, 2015 11:27 am


Originally Posted by AmexCent (Post 25798152)
So it's like blanket, cleaned after every use?

No it is not like a blanket. It is a garment. Cardigan is the proper name, similar to a soft jacket.


Originally Posted by schranerli (Post 25799614)
seriously? they want it back? hope they'll wash it, before giving it to the next passenger ;)

Yes they want it back. I am sure it is washed and reused like the duvet or blanket.


Originally Posted by schranerli (Post 25800548)
Did you ask, if you can keep it?

someone got a photo of one of those things???

I believe you can keep it if you ask but in all fairness, it is not something very useful or practical - it is one size fits all, it does not have side pocket, and the latest design is downright impractical - the front is designed as a big X with a single button in the middle of the crossing point. Both the chest part and the torso part are exposed, not covered by the garment - so I dont know how useful it is for keeping you warm! The one handed out in our KIX-LAX flight is dark blue versus the beige one on the NRT route.

Years ago the design was more sensible, like a very long cardigan sweater and it did serve the purpose for keeping you warm. I asked to keep mine as we were flying into SFO with only very warm weather clothing when the temp at SFO that day was in 40s F. I needed it at the airport waiting for families to pick us up.

On another note I was pleasantly surprised that JL finally has amenity kit versus passing along a woven bamboo tray with the basic grooming items for you to pick from. Now it gives out a Tuni kit with the basic items inside. That is an improvement.

Guava Dec 2, 2015 4:58 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 25787641)

CX F is, IMO, the best bed in the sky. [...]Other carriers offer nice products, but I haven't flown another F product on offer with a hard F product that beats CX. (Fwiw, I haven't flown that new etihad F with the bedrooms or whatever on the a380, but have flown most others).

Sorry, I think you should broaden your horizon a little. I had a very busy November last month where I have had the chance to compare several airlines' F back to back, including CX F on its B777. So here is a random seat (bed) comparison between CX and one of the Gulf carrier in F:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5826/...d5c7fba9e1.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5812/...89505d874a.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/638/2...e26bf57348.jpg

Just the size of the video screen alone, QR is light years ahead of CX in terms of the hard product. The CX F looks terribly claustrophobic if you look forward as in this view even though the seat is in fact quite large. CX F and cabin is not nearly as nicely decorated. And if you must know, QR F's entertainment choices and system beat CX F are light years ahead.

And just to be sure, I am using QR as an example, it isn't the only one.



Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 25787641)
The Pier F is, IMO, now one of if not the best F lounge globally. On this gripe, it sounds like the OP had a bad experience but I cannot disagree more with his conclusion. One trip doesn't spell reality. At least in the nearly 10x times I've been in there so far, I havent had such a problem.

Surely, you must be joking. Just so our readers know what you are talking about. re: The Pier (end of November 2015):

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5653/...0ed2609d54.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5731/...7c9d550b86.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/693/2...7d876ba406.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/722/2...16f1e5565d.jpg

And now a week later at LH F Lounge (B22, FRA):

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/622/2...99c894d3d6.jpg

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5836/...a7bd1c26a5.jpg

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/714/2...ee1500f191.jpg


I mean, the chance that CX will serve you grilled lobster a la carte at the Pier is pretty non-existent. The Pier menu is nothing but a glorified Hong Kong street food whereas LH actually serves real fine dining.

QRC3288 Dec 2, 2015 5:34 pm


Originally Posted by Guava (Post 25803837)
Sorry, I think you should broaden your horizon a little. I had a very busy November last month where I have had the chance to compare several airlines' F back to back, including CX F on its B777. So here is a random seat (bed) comparison between CX and one of the Gulf carrier in F:

Just the size of the video screen alone, QR is light years ahead of CX in terms of the hard product. The CX F looks terribly claustrophobic if you look forward as in this view even though the seat is in fact quite large. CX F and cabin is not nearly as nicely decorated. And if you must know, QR F's entertainment choices and system beat CX F are light years ahead.

And just to be sure, I am using QR as an example, it isn't the only one.

...

Surely, you must be joking. Just so our readers know what you are talking about. re: The Pier (end of November 2015):

I mean, the chance that CX will serve you grilled lobster a la carte at the Pier is pretty non-existent. The Pier menu is nothing but a glorified Hong Kong street food whereas LH actually serves real fine dining.

Those are great pictures btw.

I don't know what to say except we have a difference of opinion. If your point is to say I don't know what I'm talking about, well you're certainly entitled to your opinion. I'm pretty comfortable saying all around CX is all around favorite hard product in the sky. I think I fly a reasonable amount (150-300k miles a year, mainly work related, about 60% this year has been on CX and the rest on other carriers), but of course this is also colored by my location and routes, and also the fact that my goal is sleeping on board and not "maximizing" or whatever. I fly to the ME, Asia, and North America extensively. Europe, less.

I **think** you've posted a picture of a new QR F product? I've flown QR F before but it certainly wasn't that. My guess is that's the QR A380? FWIW, it would be highly impractical for me to utilize that product, I think it's only flying on a few routes. If it is the A380, QR only has a few of them...CX has 33 77H! Something must be said for the sheer availability. EK is a fine comparison, IME, because they have such a widespread F product. I'd really have to inconvenience myself and waste a day of meetings to "enjoy" flying that F picture you post, and missing the meetings would kinda violate half the enjoyment anyway. And from the looks of it, it's not terribly private, no? It does look quite classy, however and hopefully I'll have a chance to fly it if my schedule permits! But I won't be going out of my way to "maximize" it or whatever.

No, CX's hard product is FAR from perfect. The TV point you make is valid, CX's screen resolution isn't great and the dimming aspect annoys the hell out of me. There are a lot of other annoyances too, like I have with anything. But everything considered, all around, I would rather sleep in CX's F hard product bed than most other carriers who are convenient for me (SQ, EK, NH, JL, LH (a380 and 747-8), BA). Perhaps others have different opinions.

Btw, I do think you've picked a rather amusing picture of CX's bed - there are various angles you could choose of that seat, and perhaps it would look a lot different if you aimed the lens at the shoulder area. But it's true, the cubby buddy seat thing is narrow at the end. Definitely fact! Still doesn't change my opinion. I'm not privy to the measurements, but take for example EK suites I've flown ex HKG on the 77W...they are 4 across, while CX F is 3 across. I was actually quite surprised the first time!

On the lounge, I do think the Pier F is in the conversation for best globally. If you are looking for bling and the best alcohol selection and sexiest pictures, I don't think CX will win any awards. Oh man, CX has a pretty bad alcohol selection in particular wine on board. The lounges have a relatively poor selection ostensibly due to this being a OW lounge, and I'm not really sure how that gets fixed. I thought perhaps the Pier F would eventually become a dedicated "Diamond" or "F" lounge only or something, like TCR, but so far no dice.

CX over the years has gotten the cash out of my pocket not because they make for the glossiest magazines but because it's usually seamless, painless, functional, I can sleep very well in the sky, and get on with my work. The greatest annoyance I had was the vast availability for CX F to be redeemed by partners inexpensively, it really rubbed me the wrong way. But that's not really the point here, overall I do find CX F hard product perhaps the best in the sky. With all caveats considered. YMMV!

cxfan1960 Dec 2, 2015 5:36 pm


Originally Posted by Guava (Post 25803837)
And if you must know, QR F's entertainment choices and system beat CX F are light years ahead.

As far as entertainment choices, 60% of the movies I watch are Chinese...



Originally Posted by Guava (Post 25803837)
I mean, the chance that CX will serve you grilled lobster a la carte at the Pier is pretty non-existent. The Pier menu is nothing but a glorified Hong Kong street food whereas LH actually serves real fine dining.

I am more interested in noodles, congee, and soup. Of course, I like lobster too ;). The food there is not expensive, but is delicious. CX F lounges are open to all OWEs and their traveling companions traveling on any class on OW airlines. Perhaps CX can have something like the Concorde Room.

jphripjah Dec 2, 2015 5:55 pm


Originally Posted by Kat007 (Post 25793287)
I`ve never was denied an extra PJ by any airline - ever, but CX rejected my request.

How often have you requested and gotten an extra set of pajamas on a plane? Do you wear them both, or do you wear one and sell the other on eBay?

Also, if you are carrying so much stuff on a plane that it's a burden for you to walk through an airline lounge and you need the lounge attendants to carry some of it for you like they are your personal valets, then I would suggest you are carrying too much stuff on the airplane.

QRC3288 Dec 2, 2015 6:13 pm


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 25803974)
I am more interested in noodles, congee, and soup. Of course, I like lobster too ;). The food there is not expensive, but is delicious.

Very true, I forgot about this point. CX hands down has the best Chinese food of any carrier I fly, particularly in F.

1010101 Dec 2, 2015 7:49 pm


Originally Posted by Guava (Post 25803837)
Sorry, I think you should broaden your horizon a little. I had a very busy November last month where I have had the chance to compare several airlines' F back to back, including CX F on its B777. So here is a random seat (bed) comparison between CX and one of the Gulf carrier in F:

Just the size of the video screen alone, QR is light years ahead of CX in terms of the hard product. The CX F looks terribly claustrophobic if you look forward as in this view even though the seat is in fact quite large. CX F and cabin is not nearly as nicely decorated. And if you must know, QR F's entertainment choices and system beat CX F are light years ahead.



Surely, you must be joking. Just so our readers know what you are talking about. re: The Pier (end of November 2015):

And now a week later at LH F Lounge (B22, FRA):




I mean, the chance that CX will serve you grilled lobster a la carte at the Pier is pretty non-existent. The Pier menu is nothing but a glorified Hong Kong street food whereas LH actually serves real fine dining.

Each to their own. Whilst I have not yet flown QR's new A380 F class, every image I have seen makes it look very open and lacking in privacy. To me at least, the seat layout on CX is better, although I will accept the seat controls and fittings could do with an update.


You also must remember The Pier is technically a secondary lounge. It is not intended to compete with the LH FCT, yet it still does.

percysmith Dec 2, 2015 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 25804107)
Very true, I forgot about this point. CX hands down has the best Chinese food of any carrier I fly, particularly in F.

It depends whether I'm looking for substinence or an experience in F (not just dining, the whole service). Personally I will be looking for the latter (if the former I'll just book some ME3 in the back and pig out at Plaza Premium).


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