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kaka Feb 21, 2018 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by JBG89 (Post 29444815)
Hi Folks!

Can anyone let me know if the mileage upgrade from Business (I Class) to First is "Worth it" for this itinerary? Is it correct to assume it will be 60k asiamiles for SIN - HKG - NYC?

oneway, yes

Would i also be able to earn F mileage when upgrading with miles?

Thanks!
no

G-CIVC Feb 21, 2018 10:25 pm


Originally Posted by JBG89 (Post 29444815)
Hi Folks!

Can anyone let me know if the mileage upgrade from Business (I Class) to First is "Worth it" for this itinerary? Is it correct to assume it will be 60k asiamiles for SIN - HKG - NYC?

Yes, it'll be 60k one way, but make sure you have a flight with F operating (rare) for SIN-HKG to maximize it or else it'll be business in SIN-HKG then first for HKG-NYC.
You know, I was precisely in this 'worth it' dilemma earlier ago when I first switched to MPC/AM. I've since stopped doing these upgrades, so my answer is not quite worth it. To be honest, service in J as a DM on a good day is far better than F (always too nervous, not enough manpower, too many grabbers with their gopros and being noisy.)



Would i also be able to earn F mileage when upgrading with miles?

Thanks!
No, you will earn based on the underlying fare basis (I)

kaka Feb 22, 2018 12:38 am


Originally Posted by G-CIVC (Post 29444845)
Yes, it'll be 60k one way, but make sure you have a flight with F operating (rare) for SIN-HKG to maximize it or else it'll be business in SIN-HKG then first for HKG-NYC.
You know, I was precisely in this 'worth it' dilemma earlier ago when I first switched to MPC/AM. I've since stopped doing these upgrades, so my answer is not quite worth it. To be honest, service in J as a DM on a good day is far better than F (always too nervous, not enough manpower, too many grabbers with their gopros and being noisy.)

given that JBG89 isn't a DM, i would say, go for it. HKG JFK is heck of a long flight. there are better ways of getting CX F but if you have 60K miles, and are flying HKGJFK, go for it. As long as your fellow passengers are not noisy, you'll get better rest.
and if they are, complain the he!! out of it to the Manager, and ask for a commendation letter telling her you would give good comments if they fix it for you on the flight.

LoveHateRelationship Mar 2, 2018 7:59 pm

Flying out on 889 on Monday early am and was checking my opup chances. Interesting that at T-55 they had already opup'd 3 people into J. I saw the loading was J3 and W6 earlier today but now it's J0 and W9 so I think the tributaries have been chosen! Alas I was not one of them :p next time I guess.

nolounge Mar 3, 2018 8:54 am


Originally Posted by LoveHateRelationship (Post 29479115)
Flying out on 889 on Monday early am and was checking my opup chances. Interesting that at T-55 they had already opup'd 3 people into J. I saw the loading was J3 and W6 earlier today but now it's J0 and W9 so I think the tributaries have been chosen! Alas I was not one of them :p next time I guess.

Or 3 upgrade awards were cleared, or 3 passengers decided to pay the fare difference up to J.
Or 3 PEY passengers suddenly cancelled their ticket + 3 new J passengers booking were made.
Who knows.

cxfan1960 Mar 3, 2018 10:48 am


Originally Posted by nolounge (Post 29480523)
Or 3 upgrade awards were cleared, or 3 passengers decided to pay the fare difference up to J.
Or 3 PEY passengers suddenly cancelled their ticket + 3 new J passengers booking were made.
Who knows.

It is likely that 3 (or even more) upgrade awards were cleared.

ctarda Mar 3, 2018 11:13 am


Originally Posted by LoveHateRelationship (Post 29479115)
Flying out on 889 on Monday early am and was checking my opup chances. Interesting that at T-55 they had already opup'd 3 people into J. I saw the loading was J3 and W6 earlier today but now it's J0 and W9 so I think the tributaries have been chosen! Alas I was not one of them :p next time I guess.

Sorry folks, newbie question! How do you check that, where can you see that?

QRC3288 Mar 3, 2018 11:22 am


Originally Posted by ctarda (Post 29480953)
Sorry folks, newbie question! How do you check that, where can you see that?

If you are asking about the poster's assertions about op-ups, although well-meaning I would ignore...as the other posters have said, it's impossible to deduce why. And I'd reckon his/her conclusion is, in fact, wrong for the reasons the posters below allude to.

If you are asking what he/she is using to see loadings, I think it is Expert Flyer. https://www.expertflyer.com/

QRC3288 Mar 3, 2018 11:25 am


Originally Posted by LoveHateRelationship (Post 29479115)
Flying out on 889 on Monday early am and was checking my opup chances. Interesting that at T-55 they had already opup'd 3 people into J. I saw the loading was J3 and W6 earlier today but now it's J0 and W9 so I think the tributaries have been chosen! Alas I was not one of them :p next time I guess.

Mate, I suspect op-up might not be the reason!


Originally Posted by nolounge (Post 29480523)
Or 3 upgrade awards were cleared, or 3 passengers decided to pay the fare difference up to J.
Or 3 PEY passengers suddenly cancelled their ticket + 3 new J passengers booking were made.
Who knows.


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 29480883)
It is likely that 3 (or even more) upgrade awards were cleared.

Agree with both of your skepticism about op-ups.

It could also be that CX determined they're not going to sell J, but they have a good market for W last minute. Etc. There are a lot of reasons. Just because CX isn't selling something doesn't mean it's not full. You can get more information if you cross-check against the CX employee log-in for precise loadings (not just sales, which is all EF can see), although you'll need to know staff to review.

In short hard to know exactly. Although you can get a better idea to triangulate if you see the precise loadings.

hl176 Mar 3, 2018 5:16 pm


Originally Posted by QRC3288 (Post 29480994)
Mate, I suspect op-up might not be the reason!





Agree with both of your skepticism about op-ups.

It could also be that CX determined they're not going to sell J, but they have a good market for W last minute. Etc. There are a lot of reasons. Just because CX isn't selling something doesn't mean it's not full. You can get more information if you cross-check against the CX employee log-in for precise loadings (not just sales, which is all EF can see), although you'll need to know staff to review.

In short hard to know exactly. Although you can get a better idea to triangulate if you see the precise loadings.

I have a question about CX not selling a particular cabin. Quite a few times on 889 from JFK to YVR, CX zeroes out the J cabin but it ends up flying half empty. Why do they do that? I've never seen that on 888 on either the HKG to YVR or YVR to JFK leg

LoveHateRelationship Mar 3, 2018 7:25 pm


Originally Posted by cxfan1960 (Post 29480883)
It is likely that 3 (or even more) upgrade awards were cleared.

You're probably right, whatever the reason looks like the front of the plane is full :)

andersonCooper Mar 3, 2018 7:32 pm


Originally Posted by LoveHateRelationship (Post 29479115)
Flying out on 889 on Monday early am and was checking my opup chances. Interesting that at T-55 they had already opup'd 3 people into J. I saw the loading was J3 and W6 earlier today but now it's J0 and W9 so I think the tributaries have been chosen! Alas I was not one of them :p next time I guess.

889 is usually empty (from JFK to YVR) in front cabins and W in my experience. Even for EWR I had terrible luck of getting op-ups from W to J.

sanfran767 Mar 6, 2018 3:51 pm

Slow to report, but another data point: my first time flying CX on 27 Jan, and as a "lowly" OWS (BA EC Silver) received op up from Discounted PE (E) into J. No complaints from the 15 hour flight. And despite achieving OWE/BA EC Gold, never expecting it again (based on what I've read about non-MP members almost never receiving long haul op-ups)!

SilverChris Mar 6, 2018 7:35 pm


Originally Posted by sanfran767 (Post 29493678)
And despite achieving OWE/BA EC Gold, never expecting it again (based on what I've read about non-MP members almost never receiving long haul op-ups)!

Non-CX elites do get long-haul op-ups from time to time, mostly from PEY-J and Y-PEY. Not saying you should expect one, but it’s not as rare as you think.

dkc192 Mar 7, 2018 9:25 am


Originally Posted by SilverChris (Post 29494223)
Non-CX elites do get long-haul op-ups from time to time, mostly from PEY-J and Y-PEY. Not saying you should expect one, but it’s not as rare as you think.

I'll chime in with a data point: over the weekend before Christmas, I got a J-F op-up as a OWE on BOS-HKG. This was my first time flying as a partner OW elite on an op-up eligible route (previous routes were either as CX elite or in the top cabin). FWIW, I did not get an op-up on HKG-KIX a few days later and flew in Y--I believe the flight was not oversold.


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