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ChrisLi Jul 24, 2012 11:38 am

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To be honest on those flight leaving before 18:00 they probably pack with those Origionally booked plus all the MPC Diamonds (well certain extend golds) so I definitely assume its the best effort by staff at airport already (sorry but airline do take care about the elite of themselves before alliance member)

moondog Jul 24, 2012 11:58 am


Originally Posted by ChrisLi (Post 18993127)
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To be honest on those flight leaving before 18:00 they probably pack with those Origionally booked plus all the MPC Diamonds (well certain extend golds) so I definitely assume its the best effort by staff at airport already (sorry but airline do take care about the elite of themselves before alliance member)

While I get your point, BA Gold is only one notch below CX Diamond in the eyes of CX/KA. If planes were flying, and had open seats, he should have been able to score one. I could care less if he parties his ... off on Lockhart Road, but our CEO has different opinion.

I also hope that CX throws him some sort of bone because I believe they handled this situation poorly... why waste his time going to/from the airport if they can't actually get him to Shanghai?

pacificboot Jul 24, 2012 11:59 am


Originally Posted by ChrisLi (Post 18992520)
If you look at the plane in bound from oversea, they have planes that stuck at TPE, MNL, KHH, OSA, ICN if not other, mostly due to crew time out that they have to send replacement crew to those place to actually fly those plane back, which is limited by the amount of pilot and FA they can mobilize.

There are all theses cascade effect that a set of crew need to dead head to there to "rescue" the plane back to Hong Kong before they can be used for TONIGHT's departure, hence still many delay and cancellation, especially on short haul like TPE which they consolidate people on one plane.

Actually, most of these flights, to my best estimate, did not use replacement crew to fly them back. Looking at the arrivals board, most of these diverted flights are sitting at their diversion point for 13-18 hours, which is the minimum crew rest required in order for the same set of crew to fly it back.

vlawkh Jul 24, 2012 1:16 pm

i hv frds and relatives landed HKG successfully ytd, but it took hrs for them to deplane and get back the baggages. :(

Apparently there is a lack of ground staff personnel to operate the apron/ground work, which is hardly surprising consider of this sudden typhoon which made a lot of unexpected OT by workers on the typhoon night, and thus subsequently rests are needed for them (juz my guess though)

dun think a good time to travel for upcoming 2 days due to the knock-ons...:rolleyes:

travelbug38 Jul 24, 2012 1:24 pm


Originally Posted by vlawkh (Post 18993881)
i hv frds and relatives landed HKG successfully ytd, but it took hrs for them to deplane and get back the baggages. :(

Apparently there is a lack of ground staff personnel to operate the apron/ground work, which is hardly surprising consider of this sudden typhoon which made a lot of unexpected OT by workers on the typhoon night, and thus subsequently rests are needed for them (juz my guess though)

dun think a good time to travel for upcoming 2 days due to the knock-ons...:rolleyes:

Special Update-Typhoon Vincente

Toronto-Hong Kong flight delay due to strong crosswind conditions caused by Typhoon Vicente

Flight CX829 Toronto to Hong Kong scheduled to depart at 01:40 on 25 July has been delayed. The new departure time is now estimated at 13.30 on 25 July.

Phly4phun Jul 24, 2012 1:49 pm

Good luck to everyone traveling through HKG these few days

AJLondon Jul 24, 2012 2:07 pm

How early can these typhoons tyypically be forecasted? Is there a website to check the forecast for next week?

Thanks!

ernestnywang Jul 24, 2012 2:55 pm


Originally Posted by AJLondon (Post 18994172)
How early can these typhoons tyypically be forecasted? Is there a website to check the forecast for next week?

Thanks!

A week is simply too long for any tropical cyclone forecast tobe accurate. If you want some general information for tropical cyclones and disturbances all over the world you can use http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/TC.html. If you really want something technical for the forecast next week you will have to go for some more professional data, such as http://www.ecmwf.int/products/foreca...msl_uv850_z500

peasant Jul 24, 2012 4:16 pm

Large parts of the MTR were also down, so many airport staff (baggage handling, equipment drivers etc) just couldn't make it to work. So even if airlines had aircraft and crew, the flights couldn't be serviced.

kaka Jul 24, 2012 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by peasant (Post 18995028)
Large parts of the MTR were also down, so many airport staff (baggage handling, equipment drivers etc) just couldn't make it to work. So even if airlines had aircraft and crew, the flights couldn't be serviced.

actually, that's alright. There's no max no. of working hours in hk. Those who are already working the shift before is probably clocking in (needed) OT pay.
What stops them from getting bags and refueling planes is the "thunderstorm signal in the airport" that is not known to the public.

FlyPointyEnd Jul 24, 2012 8:11 pm

wow...yesterday was not a great day to fly...must have given the operations team at CX a migraine just fixing thing up. Heard there were two flights, one from YYZ and another from AMS that got diverted to Manila.

CX904 which I normally take ay 6:20am left Manila at 1:05am this morning. Did they use the crew for one of those diverted flights?

The rest of the flights out of Manila were delayed for several hours...

1010101 Jul 24, 2012 8:56 pm


Originally Posted by AJLondon (Post 18994172)
How early can these typhoons tyypically be forecasted? Is there a website to check the forecast for next week?

Thanks!

A week is too far ahead, but if it's next week you are specifically interested in, its almost a certainty there wont be another typhoon in this area so quickly after the weather system we've just had.

ernestnywang Jul 25, 2012 12:48 am


Originally Posted by phol (Post 18996356)
A week is too far ahead, but if it's next week you are specifically interested in, its almost a certainty there wont be another typhoon in this area so quickly after the weather system we've just had.

Sure Vincente took away lots of the energy originally reserved in South China Sea, but 10 days (if counting till the end of next week) are more than enough time for a Typhoon to be developed from something unforseen. Right now there are two tropical disturbances near the Philippines, so definately not impossible.

percysmith Jul 25, 2012 5:09 am

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_INTL/specialupdates

"Online check-in service for today’s flights has been suspended.

Passengers whose flights are cancelled are advised not to go to the airport. Cathay Pacific will assist with alternative arrangements for affected passengers."

What's best advice for confirmed pax travelling in the next few days?
Don't OLCI but turn up to airport early?

metcalve Jul 25, 2012 5:29 am

Am at the Wing now witnessing the chaos at Gate 3 for a severly delayed Toronto flight. My heart goes out to the staff who are extremely patient in dealing with extremely pissed off passengers screaming at them. Queues are forming to the door with no apparent movement of the flight going anywhere. Kudos to the ground staff for being so patient.


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