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Old Jun 9, 2012 | 10:22 pm
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ExpertFlyer cannot show Y+ yet?
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 12:25 am
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yes and AA has premium economy option now IIRC so not sure if it's EF not following the news or CX hasn't informed everybody
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 5:17 am
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Originally Posted by JALPak
yes and AA has premium economy option now IIRC so not sure if it's EF not following the news or CX hasn't informed everybody
AA does offer certain preferred seats for a fee (for those non-elites not travelling on full-fare), but not the kind of Y+ that CX, BA, and QF offers.
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
AA does offer certain preferred seats for a fee (for those non-elites not travelling on full-fare), but not the kind of Y+ that CX, BA, and QF offers.
They have UA kind of Y+ loaded into their reservation systems now, not just preferred seats
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 12:37 pm
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Originally Posted by JALPak
They have UA kind of Y+ loaded into their reservation systems now, not just preferred seats
Yes, MCE, but it is not a separate class and does not have separate fare buckets. Even though I do not use ExpertFlyer, I am sure the way AA and UA do it would not present a problem for seat map display.
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Old Jun 10, 2012 | 1:50 pm
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Expert Flyer does show Y+ in the seat maps even though it is not designated as such; just look for the section with 2-4-2 (rows 30 -34 on the 77D). In the availability I believe it is displayed at fares classes W, R and E.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 10:13 am
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Originally Posted by andy1022
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Originally Posted by JALPak
yes and AA has premium economy option now IIRC so not sure if it's EF not following the news or CX hasn't informed everybody
To our knowledge, CX isn't putting PE in a cabin separate from Economy. For example:

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing LAX on 10/11/12 for HKG
Flying CX flight 885 in Economy

        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   
30      P   X       X   X   X   X       X   P       
31      P   P       P   X   X   P       P   P       
32      X   X       X   X   X   X       X   X       
33      X   P       X   X   X   X       P   X       
        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   


        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   
39      +       X       -   +   -       X       +       
40      +   +   P       P   +   P       P   +   +       
41      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
42      X       X       X   X   X               L       
43  E   X   X   X       X   +   X       X   X   X   E   
44      -   +   -       -   -   -       -   +   +       
45      +   +   +       -   -   +       +   +   +       
46      +   +   +       +   -   -       +   +   +       
47      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
48      +   +   +       -   -   +       +   +   +       
49      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
50      X   X   X       -   -   X       X   X   X       
51      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
52      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
53      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
54      P   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
55      X   X   X       X   X   X       P   X   P       
56      X   X   X                                       
57      X   X   P                                       
59  E   X   X   X                       X   X   X   E   
60      P   +   +       +   +   X       +   +   P       
61      P   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   P       
62      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
63      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
64      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
65      X   X   X       X   -   -       X   X   X       
66      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
67      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
68      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
69      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
70      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
71      +       P       +   +   +       P       +       
72      L               +   +   P                       
        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   




Seats
Premium Only             P                        
Available                +                        
Handicap-Accessible      H                        
Paid & Premium           #                        
Occupied                 -                        
Blocked                  X                        
Lavatory                 L                        
Paid                     $                        

Location
Exit Row                 E                        
Wing                     W                        
Upper Deck               U
Compare that to: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...-300ER_77G.php

If anyone knows of an example flight where this is not the case, please send us an email and we will look into it.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 2:00 pm
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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
To our knowledge, CX isn't putting PE in a cabin separate from Economy. For example:

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing LAX on 10/11/12 for HKG
Flying CX flight 885 in Economy

        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   
30      P   X       X   X   X   X       X   P       
31      P   P       P   X   X   P       P   P       
32      X   X       X   X   X   X       X   X       
33      X   P       X   X   X   X       P   X       
        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   


        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   
39      +       X       -   +   -       X       +       
40      +   +   P       P   +   P       P   +   +       
41      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
42      X       X       X   X   X               L       
43  E   X   X   X       X   +   X       X   X   X   E   
44      -   +   -       -   -   -       -   +   +       
45      +   +   +       -   -   +       +   +   +       
46      +   +   +       +   -   -       +   +   +       
47      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
48      +   +   +       -   -   +       +   +   +       
49      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
50      X   X   X       -   -   X       X   X   X       
51      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
52      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
53      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
54      P   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
55      X   X   X       X   X   X       P   X   P       
56      X   X   X                                       
57      X   X   P                                       
59  E   X   X   X                       X   X   X   E   
60      P   +   +       +   +   X       +   +   P       
61      P   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   P       
62      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
63      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
64      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
65      X   X   X       X   -   -       X   X   X       
66      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
67      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
68      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
69      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
70      +   +   +       +   +   +       +   +   +       
71      +       P       +   +   +       P       +       
72      L               +   +   P                       
        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   




Seats
Premium Only             P                        
Available                +                        
Handicap-Accessible      H                        
Paid & Premium           #                        
Occupied                 -                        
Blocked                  X                        
Lavatory                 L                        
Paid                     $                        

Location
Exit Row                 E                        
Wing                     W                        
Upper Deck               U
Compare that to: http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Cat...-300ER_77G.php

If anyone knows of an example flight where this is not the case, please send us an email and we will look into it.
It is a separate cabin. However, in viewing seat maps, if one enters W, E, R, or T class Y+ seats will show as available while Y seats will show as blocked, whereas if you enter Y, B, H, K, ..., X class Y+ seats will show as blocked whereas Y seats will show as available. Don't know how ExpertFlyer work but apparently the above seat map shows all Y+ seat blocked so is pulled from an Y inventory. If W, E, R, or T class can be chosen the display will be different. Here are the examples:
Code:
4G*CX830W01JANHKG
   AUTH-275   77W  
   0 - HKG  1 - JFK    
   NO SMOKING-HKGJFK  
      A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K  
                  BHD BHD BHD BHD  
  30              *   *   *   *                30  
      BHD BHD  
  31X *   *       Q H *   *   Q H         LAV X31  
                                      BHD BHD  
  32  Q H Q H     *   *   *   *       / B Q H  32  
  33  Q H *       *   *   *   *       .   .    33  
  34  *   Q H     *   *   *   *       Q H *    34  
      A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K  
      BHD     BHD     BHD BHD BHD  
 W39  /       / B     .   /   .                    39W  
                                      BHD BHD BHD  
  40  /   /   / H     / H /   / H     /   / B /    40  
  41  /   /   .       .   /   .       / H /   .    41  
 AVAIL NO SMK: *    BLOCK  : /  LEAST PREF: U   BULKHEAD: BHD  
 AVAIL SMKING: -    PREMIUM: Q  UPPER DECK: J   EXIT ROW:  X  
 SEAT TAKEN: . WING: W PAID : P  LAVATORY: LAV GALLEY: GAL  
 PREF ACCESS LAV: PAL  DOOR: DOR    SCREEN: SCR   CLOSET: CLS  
 PREF ACCESS : H   BASSINET: B        UMNR: M   REARFACE:
Code:
4G*CX830Y01JANHKG
   AUTH-275   77W  
   0 - HKG  1 - JFK    
   NO SMOKING-HKGJFK  
      A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K  
                  BHD BHD BHD BHD  
  30              /   /   /   /                30  
      BHD BHD  
  31X /   /       / H /   /   / H         LAV X31  
                                      BHD BHD  
  32  / H / H     /   /   /   /       / B / H  32  
  33  / H /       /   /   /   /       .   .    33  
  34  /   / H     /   /   /   /       / H /    34  
      A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K  
      BHD     BHD     BHD BHD BHD  
 W39  *       / B     .   *   .                    39W  
                                      BHD BHD BHD  
  40  *   *   Q H     Q H *   Q H     *   / B *    40  
  41  *   *   .       .   *   .       Q H *   .    41  
 AVAIL NO SMK: *    BLOCK  : /  LEAST PREF: U   BULKHEAD: BHD  
 AVAIL SMKING: -    PREMIUM: Q  UPPER DECK: J   EXIT ROW:  X  
 SEAT TAKEN: . WING: W PAID : P  LAVATORY: LAV GALLEY: GAL  
 PREF ACCESS LAV: PAL  DOOR: DOR    SCREEN: SCR   CLOSET: CLS  
 PREF ACCESS : H   BASSINET: B        UMNR: M   REARFACE:
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 2:19 pm
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Originally Posted by ernestnywang
It is a separate cabin. However, in viewing seat maps, if one enters W, E, R, or T class Y+ seats will show as available while Y seats will show as blocked, whereas if you enter Y, B, H, K, ..., X class Y+ seats will show as blocked whereas Y seats will show as available. Don't know how ExpertFlyer work but apparently the above seat map shows all Y+ seat blocked so is pulled from an Y inventory. If W, E, R, or T class can be chosen the display will be different. Here are the examples:
We added the PE cabin, here are the results:

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Seat Map Search:
Departing LAX on 10/11/12 for HKG
Flying CX flight 885 in Premium Economy

        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   
30      P   X       +   +   +   +       X   P       
31      P   P       P   +   +   P       P   P       
32      +   +       +   +   +   +       +   +       
33      +   P       H   +   +   H       P   +       
        A   C       D   E   F   G       H   K   


        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   
39      X       X       -   X   -       X       X       
40      X   X   P       P   X   P       P   X   X       
41      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
42      X       X       X   X   X               L       
43  E   X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X   E   
44      -   X   -       -   -   -       -   X   X       
45      X   X   X       -   -   X       X   X   X       
46      X   X   X       X   -   -       X   X   X       
47      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
48      X   X   X       -   -   X       X   X   X       
49      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
50      X   X   X       -   -   X       X   X   X       
51      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
52      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
53      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
54      P   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
55      X   X   X       X   X   X       P   X   P       
56      X   X   X                                       
57      X   X   P                                       
59  E   X   X   X                       X   X   X   E   
60      P   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   P       
61      P   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   P       
62      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
63      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
64      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
65      X   X   X       X   -   -       X   X   X       
66      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
67      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
68      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
69      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
70      X   X   X       X   X   X       X   X   X       
71      X       P       X   X   X       P       X       
72      L               X   X   P                       
        A   B   C       D   E   G       H   J   K   




Seats
Premium Only             P                        
Available                +                        
Handicap-Accessible      H                        
Paid & Premium           #                        
Occupied                 -                        
Blocked                  X                        
Lavatory                 L                        
Paid                     $                        

Location
Exit Row                 E                        
Wing                     W                        
Upper Deck               U
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 5:23 pm
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I was looking for seat map on CX873 in July 7, w/ the aircraft as 77W. Is that seat map correspond to a Premium Economy?

It looks similar to this seat map with premium economy:
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 9:00 pm
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I was looking for seat map on CX873 in July 7, w/ the aircraft as 77W. Is that seat map correspond to a Premium Economy?

It looks similar to this seat map with premium economy:
CX 873 on July 7 does not have a PE cabin, regardless of what the equipment code is, as there are no W,E,R classes being sold on that flight. Also the economy cabin on that flight ends in row 67, not 72, so that is not the same aircraft.

If a PE cabin exists on a CX flight, ExpertFlyer can now show it.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 9:27 pm
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Originally Posted by ExpertFlyer Voice
If a PE cabin exists on a CX flight, ExpertFlyer can now show it.
The only problem is that PE shows all of PE and Y, and Y shows all of PE and Y as well. So it's not really ideal.
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Old Jun 13, 2012 | 11:17 pm
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The only problem is that PE shows all of PE and Y, and Y shows all of PE and Y as well. So it's not really ideal.
It may not be ideal however it is accurate as to what CX offers. What CX is literally telling you is which seats are valid for selection for a given fare class code in the Economy cabin, of which PE is a part of. Finnair does something similar with their discount vs full-fare economy tickets.
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Old Jun 14, 2012 | 12:33 am
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It may not be ideal however it is accurate as to what CX offers. What CX is literally telling you is which seats are valid for selection for a given fare class code in the Economy cabin, of which PE is a part of. Finnair does something similar with their discount vs full-fare economy tickets.
Understood. Here's another question. A number of seats are marked "P" for "Paid and Premium". However, there doesn't seem to be a good reason for this. Do you know why?
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Old Jun 14, 2012 | 10:20 am
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Understood. Here's another question. A number of seats are marked "P" for "Paid and Premium". However, there doesn't seem to be a good reason for this. Do you know why?
Did you confuse yourself between "P" and "#" (which I don't see).
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