Some Questions on CX
#1
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Join Date: Jun 2010
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Some Questions on CX
1. Can any tell me that are the CX Signiture Drinks (Cathay Delight, Cloud Nine) available in the bar of HKG's the Cabin Lounge (never been to the Cabin lounge since its opening......
), as well as some Outport lounges like MEL,NRT,LHR?
2. how does CX consider (i.e: the standards that CX considers) of which lounge in some outports to be used for accommodating its F/J passengers and MPC members? (e.g: Skyview lounge VS Qantas Club @ SIN, CX Lounge VS BA Terraces/Galleries @ LHR,FRA)
3. Also, why CX always does nothing in Sponsoring airlines to join Oneworld, although CX is a founder of Oneworld?
4. Why CX choose to "compete" with QF, rather then co-operating with QF, although they are both Oneworld Members?
), as well as some Outport lounges like MEL,NRT,LHR?2. how does CX consider (i.e: the standards that CX considers) of which lounge in some outports to be used for accommodating its F/J passengers and MPC members? (e.g: Skyview lounge VS Qantas Club @ SIN, CX Lounge VS BA Terraces/Galleries @ LHR,FRA)
3. Also, why CX always does nothing in Sponsoring airlines to join Oneworld, although CX is a founder of Oneworld?
4. Why CX choose to "compete" with QF, rather then co-operating with QF, although they are both Oneworld Members?
#2
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2. Don't forget that cost is one of the factors. I believe that when using partner lounges at outposts, CX pays the lounge operator a fixed price per CX guest. So that is one of the factors, too. Frequency probably has something to do with it, as well. CX has four LH flights/day at LHR, so not terribly surprising that they have their own lounge. Likewise at BKK, for example, there are currently five flights/day, and I believe that there have been more in the past. At JFK, OTOH, three flights/day, but they use the BA lounge. LAX has 2-3/day, shared OW lounge. SFO, two/day and I think that they use the BA lounge.
4. I'm not sure that I understand your question. Are you saying that OW carriers should never fly on the same route? I don't think that that's the point of the alliance, and there are numerous examples, -- AA/BA TATL, BA and CX LHR/HKG, to name just two. Could you be a little more specific about your question?
4. I'm not sure that I understand your question. Are you saying that OW carriers should never fly on the same route? I don't think that that's the point of the alliance, and there are numerous examples, -- AA/BA TATL, BA and CX LHR/HKG, to name just two. Could you be a little more specific about your question?
#4




Join Date: Sep 2005
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I would not want to see them "co-operate" too much, from a pax point of view.
#6


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In any case, an airline will codeshare another airline's flight only if it makes sense, for example, if one flight has connecting traffics to or from that other flight. There is no sense in display CX codes on all QF flights or vice versa.
#7
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I believe that you have a misconception about airline alliances.
Airlines compete within an aliiance. CX and QF have different bottom lines and both care about their own profit.
Yes, the purpose of alliances is to attract more pax to the alliance, and possibly reduce some costs, so that there is a synergy and the group benefits overall as the total number of pax to the alliance is larger than without alliance. But that does not rule out intense competition among airlines of the same aliance. The purpose of an alliance is hopefully NOT to create a collusion that would stiffle competition at the expense of pax. Apparently this is what you have in mind when you suggest that QF and CX should "fix" their cartel relationshing on the HK-Australia route.
A side note regarding codeshare: for frequent flyers this is less useful within an alliance than across alliances. Codeshares with an airline not part of the alliance allows the pax to earn miles on his preferred alliance by having ticket issued in that airline code. This is very useful for connecting domestic flights (e.g. AF, member of skyteam, has extensive reciprocal code share agreements with OW airlines QF and JL). While this is not necessary if both airlines belong to the same alliance.
But codesharing can cover many arrangements. Often, there is some revenue-sharing agreement. On some routes with few flights, this is detrimental to competition and pax. While airlines have some marketing blabla about schedule harmonization and improved service, such collusion implies higher ticket prices. Fortunately CX and QF cannot share revenues as 1) there are some other competitors on the route (VS, BA,) and 2) the Australian government might object.
Airlines compete within an aliiance. CX and QF have different bottom lines and both care about their own profit.
Yes, the purpose of alliances is to attract more pax to the alliance, and possibly reduce some costs, so that there is a synergy and the group benefits overall as the total number of pax to the alliance is larger than without alliance. But that does not rule out intense competition among airlines of the same aliance. The purpose of an alliance is hopefully NOT to create a collusion that would stiffle competition at the expense of pax. Apparently this is what you have in mind when you suggest that QF and CX should "fix" their cartel relationshing on the HK-Australia route.
A side note regarding codeshare: for frequent flyers this is less useful within an alliance than across alliances. Codeshares with an airline not part of the alliance allows the pax to earn miles on his preferred alliance by having ticket issued in that airline code. This is very useful for connecting domestic flights (e.g. AF, member of skyteam, has extensive reciprocal code share agreements with OW airlines QF and JL). While this is not necessary if both airlines belong to the same alliance.
But codesharing can cover many arrangements. Often, there is some revenue-sharing agreement. On some routes with few flights, this is detrimental to competition and pax. While airlines have some marketing blabla about schedule harmonization and improved service, such collusion implies higher ticket prices. Fortunately CX and QF cannot share revenues as 1) there are some other competitors on the route (VS, BA,) and 2) the Australian government might object.
#9
Join Date: May 2009
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No need for me... the flight is long enough to enjoy the food and get some decent sleep. The BA flights to LHR are much shorter and there the pre-flight dining really helps you to get some good sleep.

