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Originally Posted by Simon
(Post 9583707)
The biggest problem most of us have is being delayed by inane, unnecessary, aggresive questions.
The process used in EU, Australia, etc. of green/red lanes would be a welcome change. Simon |
Originally Posted by taupo
(Post 9585674)
NZ has a simple system. You meet an immigration officer, proceed to Customs/Min of Ag/Fish once you have picked up checked bags. Customs/MAF have beagles sniffing bags in the baggage hall, the officers are very friendly, as are the dogs. Once handing over the Customs card you proceed to xray where your bag is checked. All very friendly and efficient.
You indicate that your luggage does not in fact contain a dead body, and then the customs officer asks you questions and looks at your paperwork. Whereas BS officers can be BS'd very easily and the physical system in Canada presents way too many loopholes (being able to say you will be in Canada for a week and you have nothing to declare even though you have 4 suitcases checked, changing the answer you gave the BSo at PIL when he sends you to IMM, being able to not declare food yet you checked a leaking box with soil coming out of the tears), the Japanese system is able to not only target people, but they goods they bring in as well. The officers stand attentively waiting for pax which looks sharp, and because there are about 30 tables, there are never lineups. And like with BSOs at PIL back home, you can go 'shopping' for the Japanese equivalent of a white middle aged male BSO, but they seemingly switch the positions of officers after the pax approaches at random. I also like Nicaragua's "green light means go, red light means haul your as..s in for customs inspection" system. If I were trying to smuggle drugs in there, I would not disguise my anxiety very well. The worst is India where all bags have to be x-rayed BEFORE delivered. Seems like a good idea if it's done in a nation with a better reputation for transparency. And I'd have to say Canada is the next worse. While similar to the US, the Americans do it better because a CBP PIL officer is an integrated customs/immigration/food inspector who will perform their own secondary inspection of a pax if needed. Therefore, there are more officers at PIL helping legitimate pax, and there are way fewer spite referrals, leading to a greater amount of continuity, therefore increasing the security logic behind their system.
Originally Posted by CBSAguy
(Post 9579294)
"It is not appropriate for CBSA Immigration Secondary officers to elicit further personal information from a Canadian citizen."
Immigration Secondary is not the Primary Inspection Line, nor Customs Secondary. Questions asked of Canadian citizens at primary/secondary are related to admissibility of goods. I will admit that I have heard some ridiculous questions being asked on occasion by some colleagues and it does make me cringe. At the same time, though, if I had someone returning from a 2-day trip halfway around the world who marked "personal" as his reason for travel, I would likely ask questions to determine how the trip was financed, why he went, etc. Was he sent to pick up two bags of cocaine and given a short holiday as a bonus? It happens quite frequently. The admissibility of the Canadian citizen is not being called into question just because I'm asking him a question that may also be appropriate to ask a visitor. If a drug trafficker paid my ticket through cash, my "why gone for two days" question would have been weak, and further questioning would be justified. Being that I am legit, an exit that long would be legit, and the first question would be legit, so questions pertaining to how I paid my ticket, or any questions about my trip would be illogical. Maybe a "where did sleep?" just to see my response would be good. Although I know you are competent at the progressive PIL inspections, many of your colleagues are not.
Originally Posted by Nitehawk
I'm surprised how many of you have customs problems. I leave the country and return probably on average of once a month. often on business, sometimes for pleasure, sometimes to buy things like cars and boats. i'm young (24), and often travel alone. I've never been to secondary unless importing a vehicle, once they searched it, but they remained polite and never accused me of anything.
Originally Posted by ricktoronto
(Post 9583213)
What does "roving" mean? Isn't it correct under both the Customs Act and the AML-ATF Act that roving plus subsequently questioning randomly on outbound flights is not allowed without reasonable grounds?
You are not allowed to intercept everyone outbound to ask questions about anything as to possible customs or money laundering infractions can you, without probable cause to do so, or are you saying that Charter violation would be allowed? Ironically as to this whole arrivals discussion on the whole I find the YYZ arrivals CBSA to be quite polite and there is limited questioning away from the establishment of identity. I have on occasion, refused to answer questions apart from those quoting the same manual and didn't wind up in secondary, I merely pointed out they were inappropriate , asked the purpose of the questions relative to my Charter rights, and advised that my declaration of goods (usually nothing) was accurate. I agree reasking the $10K question to those obviously in command of English is not necessary but it happens 100% of the time. Sometimes, they will wander around the baggage claim area. That's also stupid. If I were smuggling in drugs and had body language that would be considered suspect, I would hang out in the washroom until bags are dispensed. If a rover had issues with me, he would take my card, mark it, which would clearly indicate that I am going in for secondary. Then I wait 'til he is gone, I get my bags, rip any identifying figures on them, ditch the bags, and go into secondary. It opens way more loopholes than it attempts to close. However, if you read the customs act, there is a section about how BSOs have authority in areas in which international flights are departing out of. Like it or not, Canada does have authority over exports.
Originally Posted by CBSAguy
(Post 9579196)
For the most part, I agree.
it sucks that you work for such a crappy organization. at least in 10-15 years all the weak chains in the link will be attrition'd.
Originally Posted by CBSAguy
(Post 9579209)
You're right, no one takes disciplinary action against me when I release overages 100 times a day, literally. It's called discretion and I use it daily.
And no one is drinking the abandoned liquor, but thank you for the ignorant comment. |
Originally Posted by ricktoronto
(Post 9583213)
What does "roving" mean? Isn't it correct under both the Customs Act and the AML-ATF Act that roving plus subsequently questioning randomly on outbound flights is not allowed without reasonable grounds?
You are not allowed to intercept everyone outbound to ask questions about anything as to possible customs or money laundering infractions can you, without probable cause to do so, or are you saying that Charter violation would be allowed? What would trigger a search like this? I've never seen it before in Canada or the US, although most other countries I've been to will clear you on the way out. Perhaps we should be thankful for small mercies. |
Originally Posted by cur
(Post 9587033)
Disagree, I think Japan's system is the best. Walk through the health counter (close during flights from nations where infectious diseases are not a threat), go to IMM, get bags, you present all of your bags to a custom officer, and customs officer shows you the awesome list containing several diagrams of banned things (diagrams include: C-17 aircraft dropping a bomb, pineapples with bloody knives going through them, baby in empty mayonnaise bucket full of formaldehyde, etcetc :D).
You indicate that your luggage does not in fact contain a dead body, and then the customs officer asks you questions and looks at your paperwork. Whereas BS officers can be BS'd very easily and the physical system in Canada presents way too many loopholes (being able to say you will be in Canada for a week and you have nothing to declare even though you have 4 suitcases checked, changing the answer you gave the BSo at PIL when he sends you to IMM, being able to not declare food yet you checked a leaking box with soil coming out of the tears), the Japanese system is able to not only target people, but they goods they bring in as well. The officers stand attentively waiting for pax which looks sharp, and because there are about 30 tables, there are never lineups. And like with BSOs at PIL back home, you can go 'shopping' for the Japanese equivalent of a white middle aged male BSO, but they seemingly switch the positions of officers after the pax approaches at random. Also give a nod of the head to that fact about all the officers standing attentively at their posts and not joking or slouching at their job, they throughoutly appreciate the work they do because they're paid to do it right the first time. Sanosuke! |
at the beijing airport at both the arrival customs area and the depature customs area, there are buttons below the kiosk of EACH customs officer that you can push to rate the service you received from that officer (5 choices)
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Originally Posted by st7860
(Post 9589930)
at the beijing airport at both the arrival customs area and the depature customs area, there are buttons below the kiosk of EACH customs officer that you can push to rate the service you received from that officer (5 choices)
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Originally Posted by Sopwith
(Post 9591673)
Do you push the button before or after you receive the service?;)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/exploringchina/442648317/ http://www.airlinequality.com/Airpor..._forum/pek.htm They speak English quite well. Interesting tidbit: at the passport check, each clerk as his/her own ratings module where you can press a button to indicate the level of service you were given. |
Originally Posted by st7860
(Post 9591688)
see the little gray things below each kiosk?
http://www.flickr.com/photos/exploringchina/442648317/ http://www.airlinequality.com/Airpor..._forum/pek.htm They speak English quite well. Interesting tidbit: at the passport check, each clerk as his/her own ratings module where you can press a button to indicate the level of service you were given. I have never been mistreated by border officials in Canada or any other country. |
Originally Posted by Sanosuke
(Post 9589894)
Also give a nod of the head to that fact about all the officers standing attentively at their posts and not joking or slouching at their job, they throughoutly appreciate the work they do because they're paid to do it right the first time.
Originally Posted by st7860
(Post 9589930)
at the beijing airport at both the arrival customs area and the depature customs area, there are buttons below the kiosk of EACH customs officer that you can push to rate the service you received from that officer (5 choices)
IMM officers in India are nice to my white arse, at least.
Originally Posted by st7860
(Post 9589930)
at the beijing airport at both the arrival customs area and the depature customs area, there are buttons below the kiosk of EACH customs officer that you can push to rate the service you received from that officer (5 choices)
Originally Posted by Spounce
(Post 9592305)
That's nice. Police stations in Singapore have comment cards, too, on which you can rate the level of courtesy you were shown during your visit. Of course, this doesn't stop the Singapore Police from beating suspects routinely.
I have never been mistreated by border officials in Canada or any other country. ...whereas all a BSofficers will give you is a 5 page survey about your income/purpose of leaving/occupation/how you travel for the interest of statscan. complaining about a BSofficer to a superintendent that became a manager because he was incompetent at his job as a BSofficer, however, is another thing. |
Originally Posted by Simon
(Post 9583707)
The process used in EU, Australia, etc. of green/red lanes would be a welcome change. Simon |
Originally Posted by Q Shoe Guy
(Post 9594634)
... but me they search and hassle until I start taking off my clothes.....Then they let me go with a "sumimasen". The Japanese customs officials are dorks!
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Originally Posted by st7860
at the beijing airport at both the arrival customs area and the depature customs area, there are buttons below the kiosk of EACH customs officer that you can push to rate the service you received from that officer (5 choices)
Originally Posted by Sopwith
(Post 9591673)
Do you push the button before or after you receive the service?;)
One time, they thanked me after I pressed the button. Made me wonder if they saw which one I pressed. |
It probably pops up on their screen. :D
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YOWKid, just be careful about that button next time you go to China.. ;) They might think you are flirting with the female officer... ;)
Sanosuke! |
Haven't heard from CBSAguy in a couple of days - maybe he's been shut down by his superiors?
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