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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 4:12 pm
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Is Passport Required to Canada?

Is a passport required to fly into and out of Canada now?

How about driving into Canada? I don't have my passport ready but will be in Buffalo and would like to drive up to see family.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 4:48 pm
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Is a passport required to fly into and out of Canada now?
Yes.

Originally Posted by amps
How about driving into Canada?
Right now, no passport is required. You should bring a driver's license or other government ID plus proof of citizenship, such as a birth certificate (I think an expired passport would also be valid for this purpose).

http://travel.state.gov/travel/cbpmc/cbpmc_2223.html
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 4:50 pm
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Originally Posted by amps
Is a passport required to fly into and out of Canada now?

How about driving into Canada? I don't have my passport ready but will be in Buffalo and would like to drive up to see family.
I'll leave others to comment on the documents required to fly into Canada, but you will need one to fly back to the United States.

You do not need a passport to drive to/from Canada. According to this press release, issued today, you can re-enter the United States on the basis of a verbal declaration of citizenship until January 31, 2008, when you will need at least a photo ID and birth certificate. A passport will be required at some future point, possibly Summer 2008.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 5:27 pm
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well what if I'm not a citizen, but I am a permanent resident. I have a green card which expires in 2017?
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 5:46 pm
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As far as I know your greencard is only valid together with your passport. My dad always needs to show his German passport together with his greencard when he enters the United States at airports.

Still people, why is it so hard to understand that if you go to a different country that you need a passport. Even in Europe where we have Schengen you still should always carry your national ID (which doesn't exist in the United States and even if US driver licences are used as IDs they are not a national ID) or passport because there can be always random border checks.

OT: I also think it is ridiculous to do ID checks between Canada and the US. The border is several thousand miles long and there are enough places to cross the border without anyone noticing it. Why don't Canada and the US create something similar to the European Schengen-Treaty? It is much easier to control the major ports of entry like airports and sea ports instead of trying to catch people at the Canadian-US border. I don't even want to talk about trying to catch terrorists.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 5:48 pm
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OT: I also think it is ridiculous to do ID checks between Canada and the US. The border is several thousand miles long and there are enough places to cross the border without anyone noticing it. Why don't Canada and the US create something similar to the European Schengen-Treaty? It is much easier to control the major ports of entry like airports and sea ports instead of trying to catch people at the Canadian-US border. I don't even want to talk about trying to catch terrorists.
No parity of power. One partner will want to impose its own standard of controls. It's not like the E.U. where the largest state is not all that much larger than the next state, and certainly is only a small sum (population wise) of the collective.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by caspritz78
OT: I also think it is ridiculous to do ID checks between Canada and the US. The border is several thousand miles long and there are enough places to cross the border without anyone noticing it. Why don't Canada and the US create something similar to the European Schengen-Treaty? It is much easier to control the major ports of entry like airports and sea ports instead of trying to catch people at the Canadian-US border. I don't even want to talk about trying to catch terrorists.

Why not just move the American boarder 100 miles north. They other 10 people in Canada can have the frozen tundra for their own. Then we will have no more need for border checks. ^

Just kidding, but I hear they are gonna build a wall across the entire border of Canada. This will help keep the draft out.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 6:03 pm
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well what if I'm not a citizen, but I am a permanent resident. I have a green card which expires in 2017?
According to DHS and Timatic, it actually seems as though your green card (form I-551) is sufficient. (even, it seems, for travel by air)
http://www.dhs.gov/xtrvlsec/crossing...htibasics.shtm

And US permanent residents are eligible for admission to Canada without a visa even if they are citizens of countries that would normally require a visa to enter Canada.
http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/visit/visas.asp

Note: don't take my word for any of this...and it's always a good idea to bring your passport!
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 6:56 pm
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Well, my issue is that my old passport has expired. In order for me to obtain a new one, i first need a national ID (NICOP). However on the application for NICOP it makes me swear to things that I'm completely against and fact of the matter is it's none of their business. Hence cannot (probably won't) renew my passport and will wait 2 more years to acquire my American passport.

I guess I can wait a couple of more years before I will travel abroad.... Jebus knows I have enough miles do a few trips.

Thanks for everybody's answers and help.
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 8:23 pm
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What don't you agree with?
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 8:42 pm
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Originally Posted by horse glasses
What don't you agree with?
http://www.nadra.gov.pk/images/nicop.pdf

Anything with a * is requirement, but I don't see what my religion should have anything to do with it. In principal I would like to say Muslim but if you read Mulsim box has ** next to it and below on 32 it says.... well you read it... it's a bloody invasion of my religious beliefs and should have no bearing on giving me a national ID card, however if I refuse to answer it, my application will be denied.

I don't know, I just have issues in general answering those type of questions because I belive in seperation of Religion and Government.....
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 10:11 pm
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My wife, who is a permanent resident, did need to show her passport when she came back to the US, even with a green card. The CBP agent looked at her card first, then checked (and stamped, even though he wasn't supposed to, according to the other agent present) her passport.

I'm sorry the NICOP application is offensive to you (for the record, I wouldn't answer that question, either). It looks like it's definitely going to limit your travel prospects..
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Old Dec 3, 2007 | 10:28 pm
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Originally Posted by amps
http://www.nadra.gov.pk/images/nicop.pdf

Anything with a * is requirement, but I don't see what my religion should have anything to do with it. In principal I would like to say Muslim but if you read Mulsim box has ** next to it and below on 32 it says.... well you read it... it's a bloody invasion of my religious beliefs and should have no bearing on giving me a national ID card, however if I refuse to answer it, my application will be denied.

I don't know, I just have issues in general answering those type of questions because I belive in seperation of Religion and Government.....
I just read it and I can't say I blame you. That shouldn't be on there. If anything, I'd just check other.
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 2:46 am
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I understand your situation, but I think you need to get a passport. During the citizenship process, someone is likely to ask you--even as a green card holder--for your passport.

Maybe check 'other' on the form?
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Old Dec 4, 2007 | 3:13 am
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Originally Posted by horse glasses
I just read it and I can't say I blame you. That shouldn't be on there. If anything, I'd just check other.
I agree with horse glasses on this one. I would check "other" as well. I would not want to be without a passport. Your green card is one thing, but your passport is your actual ID document - you need it for a lot of things.

In any case, the form is ridiculous. By the way, what's (PBUH)? Peace be upon him?
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