Downgrade from jfk to lhr business to premium
May 1, 2024, 3:05 am
#16
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It is lucky that UK has implemented a version of EC261 or the airline could get away with paying much less for a downgrade
Once downgraded and entitled to 75% back, there is no reason at all for credit for the original fare
May 1, 2024, 3:28 am
#17
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This is where I would never accept a downgrade. The fare is low and BA have almost certainly calculated that when considering which pax to downgrade. A fare of around 1300 return, minus 200 in taxes leaves only about 550 each way. JFK-LHR is about half the distance resulting in a reimbursement of 75% of around 275, so £209.
A much better solution to these downgrades would be issuing a space available upgrade for the passenger to upgrade another flight. But I would be refusing the downgrade and charging BA for a hotel until they could send me in J. JFK-LHR is not like it’s a one flight per week route.
A much better solution to these downgrades would be issuing a space available upgrade for the passenger to upgrade another flight. But I would be refusing the downgrade and charging BA for a hotel until they could send me in J. JFK-LHR is not like it’s a one flight per week route.
May 1, 2024, 5:11 am
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May 1, 2024, 5:27 am
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A much better solution to these downgrades would be issuing a space available upgrade for the passenger to upgrade another flight. But I would be refusing the downgrade and charging BA for a hotel until they could send me in J. JFK-LHR is not like it’s a one flight per week route.
May 1, 2024, 5:33 am
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I would take the same approach, but could BA in theory refuse, both in terms of letting you wait until the next flight in J was available (potentially a day or two later), and in subsequently paying your hotel bill? Wouldn't they be able to argue that they were fulfilling their obligations by offering you an earlier flight home, albeit in a lower cabin?
May 1, 2024, 6:09 am
#21
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No. The rules are that they must transport you under similar conditions. That is widely interpreted as being in the same cabin. Theoretically, they could put you in somebody else’s business cabin without lie-flats but the scope for that between JFK and LHR is not (yet) there.
It is only for delays/cancellations where there is reference to conditions
May 1, 2024, 6:54 am
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May 1, 2024, 7:35 am
#24
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Whatever the rights and wrongs, returning £102 for a downgrade from a flatbed seat with lounge access to a normal seat without lounge access on an overnight flight does nothing to deter the operating carrier from making an effort to fulfil their obligations to the paying customer.
May 1, 2024, 7:38 am
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It's based on your fare as paid by the passenger, related to distance, and airlines are able to charge taxes and official fees. More information in the main EC261 thread, but it's nowhere near 75% of the money the passenger spent. WIth the details we could be more precise, but £102 may not be wrong.
May 1, 2024, 7:43 am
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He is entitled to rebooking under similar conditions, compensation of 600 EUR under EU261 subject to the cancellation not being due to extraordinary circumstances as well as reimbursement for accepting the downgrade. I would not have accepted the downgrade but would have waited at BA's expense until they reroute me in J or better.
May 1, 2024, 7:49 am
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We don't know if the OP had to travel that night and couldn't push to the next day, but I'm with you and other posters: I would not accept anything less than J on the reroute, (next day or otherwise), and accommodation, and UK261 compensation...
May 1, 2024, 7:49 am
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It's based on your fare as paid by the passenger, related to distance, and airlines are able to charge taxes and official fees. More information in the main EC261 thread, but it's nowhere near 75% of the money the passenger spent. WIth the details we could be more precise, but £102 may not be wrong.
May 1, 2024, 8:32 am
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May 1, 2024, 8:38 am
#30
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Here is details I have booked on 20th August all business class
dub-lhr ba 831 20th feb ,lhr -Clt-Tpa all ba flight numbers
20th March aa2002 las-lax,lax-jfk ba4698,jfk -lhr ba 114 got cancelled due to problem in lhr ,got put on next ba flight in premium approx 1230 am on 21st march
last flight ba 0412 lhr to agp.
price was £1644+tax/fee/charge £941.40 total £2585.40 for 2 passengers
this is only breakdown I have .
dub-lhr ba 831 20th feb ,lhr -Clt-Tpa all ba flight numbers
20th March aa2002 las-lax,lax-jfk ba4698,jfk -lhr ba 114 got cancelled due to problem in lhr ,got put on next ba flight in premium approx 1230 am on 21st march
last flight ba 0412 lhr to agp.
price was £1644+tax/fee/charge £941.40 total £2585.40 for 2 passengers
this is only breakdown I have .