Jul 18, 2023, 3:39 am
Last edit by: Prospero
We’re changing the way you collect Avios.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
Bronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.
This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.
You'll collect Avios on:
- The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges
- Cabin upgrades
- Seats that you pre-book and pay for
- Additional bags
The total you spend is then multiplied according to your tier:
Blue Members collect 6 Avios per pound (GBP) spentBronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency
What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.
Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.
When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
- The base fare on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- The Carrier Imposed Charges (YQ) on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
- Cabin upgrades made online or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Additional Baggage pre-purchased online, though our Contact Centres or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
- Pre-paid seating charges on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
- Blue members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Bronze members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Silver members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Gold members will receive 9 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
- Blue members will receive 5 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Bronze members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Silver members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
- Gold members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.
If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.
If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.
If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.
Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.
Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.
If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.
Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.
Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.
Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.
If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.
After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).
Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.
Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.
For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.
We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.
Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.
How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.
For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.
For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.
If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.
When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.
How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
Avios Earnings Change - Based on ££ Spent - booked after 18 Oct 23 (TPs unchanged)
Jul 18, 2023, 4:11 am
#46
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I had pretty much already done that as quality is better on others in any event, especially on QR and I have never been concerned about the so called "convenience" of non stop services.
I assume the trick of flying codeshares will result in the new BA policy being applied? if so then I won't be doing that either.
As stated by another "the race to the bottom continues"
I assume the trick of flying codeshares will result in the new BA policy being applied? if so then I won't be doing that either.
As stated by another "the race to the bottom continues"
So for the North Atlantic that's easy - ticket to American or Finnair. Other parts of the world may be trickier.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:11 am
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Indeed on most domestic (though some fares are also explicitly the same from domestic airports) but conversely, if you book, say, a flight from Ireland or Sweden, you may well lost avios twice - frequently cheaper fares and you lose the connecting flights avios. And you'll also lose the avios on any other side of the trip (e.g. US connection, Of course, if flying from Switzerland (or often France) where fares may often though not always be more than ex-UK, you might recoup part of your loss by having a higher fare to multiply, but my guess is that unless you are on fairly expensive tickets, the "great" examples BA have cherry picked will be the exception more than the rule and that GCH and GGLs in particular will lose out a lot.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:24 am
#49
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Very much looks like we will be entering an era of status rich and Avios poor loyal flyers.
I wonder if we will an increase to Amex sign up bonus and the earnings per £ spent with BA as a result.
I will be hoping there's a good ex BUD-LAX for travel in September 24 which I will get booked pre 18 October.
I wonder if we will an increase to Amex sign up bonus and the earnings per £ spent with BA as a result.
I will be hoping there's a good ex BUD-LAX for travel in September 24 which I will get booked pre 18 October.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:26 am
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It’s part of the Delta Air Lines playbook to keep the hamsters on the hamster wheel by way of baiting with elite status/elite status benefits while gutting the value of points earned from flying to be redeemed for flying. BA is anything but surprisingly innovative, and so I expect it to march to the same drummer.
Don’t expect this to make the BA business class lounges less crowded over the longer term.
Let’s see how long that advantage of using other airline ticket stock works in such situations, as we have to consider what the governmentally-over-favored revenue-sharing big airlines can share beside just revenue when it comes to flights on routes operated and ticketed under government-backed revenue-sharing joint ventures.
Don’t expect this to make the BA business class lounges less crowded over the longer term.
From what seems to have been communicated the key would be to make sure you're on another airline's ticket stock - then BA can't work out how much you've paid, and it's back to the current system.
So for the North Atlantic that's easy - ticket to American or Finnair. Other parts of the world may be trickier.
So for the North Atlantic that's easy - ticket to American or Finnair. Other parts of the world may be trickier.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:28 am
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Nor bronze - It gave 2 examples , covering both longhaul and shorthaul as well as base member vs status holder - would another 2 been any more helpfu?l - perhaps whoever did this assumed that most people could work out to change the multiple to 7 or 9 for the other options
Jul 18, 2023, 4:31 am
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It’s part of the Delta Air Lines playbook to keep the hamsters on the hamster wheel by way of elite status benefits while gutting the value of points earned from flying to be redeemed for flying. BA is anything but surprisingly innovative, and so I expect it to march to the same drummer.
Let’s see how long that advantage of using other airline ticket stock works in such situations, as we have to consider what the governmentally-over-favored revenue-sharing big airlines can share beside just revenue when it comes to flights on routes operated and ticketed under government-backed revenue-sharing joint ventures.
Let’s see how long that advantage of using other airline ticket stock works in such situations, as we have to consider what the governmentally-over-favored revenue-sharing big airlines can share beside just revenue when it comes to flights on routes operated and ticketed under government-backed revenue-sharing joint ventures.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:32 am
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I am sure that an example that showed a gold member being no worse off could have been provided; I think it more likely that it was simply that there would have been no benefit to more examples
Jul 18, 2023, 4:34 am
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Well, if that’s how you want to argue it, you need to take the symmetric into account too - in O or Q which accounts for many more tickets than F, a gold would have received 5 times more avios than a blue and now only 50% more, so now the GCH bonus including cabin multiplier has been divided by 8 rather than by 2 as I was calculating based on status bonus alone!!…
Jul 18, 2023, 4:34 am
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Whether it’s privacy rules or IATA rules getting in the way, the consumers are going to remain at a great disadvantage due to the tremendous market power of the big players gotten by way of too many governmental waivers and favors. This BAEC development is a sign of just that.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:36 am
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Since most people here complain that there is never any availability when they want it - this will not make a difference in that it will benefit only people who are high spenders.
What would concern me is if they started changing the Tier Points. At present that has not happened.
What would concern me is if they started changing the Tier Points. At present that has not happened.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:38 am
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I've added all the Frequently Asked Questions and bolded them into the Wiki, kindly started by Oxon Flyer, as well as the link for quick and permanent reference as well as for future reference. Hope this helps!
If you can't see it then please click on 'show more' at the end of the Wiki which should, open it up to all the FAQ.
Pete
If you can't see it then please click on 'show more' at the end of the Wiki which should, open it up to all the FAQ.
Pete
Jul 18, 2023, 4:40 am
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Just yet another reason to book partner airlines rather than BA when flying on my own dime.
Presumably it’s only corporate travelers, or those who are entirely price insensitive, who will benefit from this change.
Presumably it’s only corporate travelers, or those who are entirely price insensitive, who will benefit from this change.
Jul 18, 2023, 4:47 am
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Award space availability on BA metal has been plentiful enough for me. It’s the pricing of that award space where BA comes across as being less Robin Hood than a cold-hearted burglar who aims to steal the kid’s video games for it’s own selfish purposes over the holidays. Unfortunately, BA is worse than the Grinch Who Stole Christmas. At least at some point the Grinch’s heart grew.
This kind of move supposedly benefiting high spenders ends up not holding up as very true over time. The airlines rob the big spenders too with massive devaluations of the spendable miles earned.
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Jul 18, 2023, 4:50 am
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Does this also mean that full Avios will be earned if one takes the outbound flight of a return journey but then does not take the return? If it is based on the price paid for the flight it surely becomes irrelevant to fly any sectors other than the first one?