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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:39 am
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We’re changing the way you collect Avios.

As an Executive Club Member, when you book a flight from 18 October 2023 you’ll collect Avios on British Airways-marketed flights based on the price of your ticket instead of the distance you fly.

This will make it easier to work out how many Avios you'll get and a typical flight could now give you more Avios. So before you know it, you’ll have enough to use towards that next trip.

You'll collect Avios on:

  • The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges
  • Cabin upgrades
  • Seats that you pre-book and pay for
  • Additional bags

The total you spend is then multiplied according to your tier:

Blue Members collect 6 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Bronze Members collect 7 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Silver Members collect 8 Avios per pound (GBP) spent
Gold Members collect 9 Avios per pound (GBP) spent


FAQ
https://www.britishairways.com/en-qa...anges#currency

What are the changes being made to the way I collect Avios?
On 18 July 2023 British Airways announced a change to the way our members earn Avios when they fly. From 18 October 2023 Executive Club members will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend for their tickets and add-ons, instead of the current distance-based earning model.

Why is the Executive Club changing the way they award Avios?
These changes introduce new ways to collect Avios and simplify the way we reward our Executive Club members when they fly.

When do the changes come into effect?
The changes will come into effect from 18 October 2023. Any tickets issued from this date will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.

What can I collect Avios on as part of my trip?
Any tickets issued or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. We will award Avios for every pound (GBP) or euro (EUR) spent on:
  • The base fare on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
  • The Carrier Imposed Charges (YQ) on any commercial British Airways and Iberia marketed flights
  • Cabin upgrades made online or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
  • Additional Baggage pre-purchased online, though our Contact Centres or at the airport on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
  • Pre-paid seating charges on any British Airways or Iberia marketed and operated flights
Do I collect more Avios depending on my Tier level?
Yes, we will award the following Avios for British Airways-marketed flights:
  • Blue members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Bronze members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Silver members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
  • Gold members will receive 9 Avios per qualifying Pound (£) spent
For flights marketed by Iberia, we will award the following Avios:
  • Blue members will receive 5 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Bronze members will receive 6 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Silver members will receive 7 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent
  • Gold members will receive 8 Avios per qualifying Euro (€) spent

If I already have a flight booked for travel after 18 October 2023, will the way I collect Avios change?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

You will still be able to collect Avios for any qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 based on total eligible spend, regardless of when you made your flight booking.

If I make a booking to travel before 18 October 2023 and then make a change to travel after this date, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If I make a booking before 18 October 2023 for travel after this date, and place it on hold, what Avios will I collect?
Any flight tickets issued prior to 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If you have a booking on hold (including flights held for a fee through BA.com) and your flight tickets are issued on or after 18 October 2023, the Avios you collect will be based on total eligible spend.

If I change a booking made after the 18 October 2023, if the new price is higher or lower, what Avios will I collect?
Any tickets or qualifying add-ons purchased from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on total eligible spend.

If you make any changes to your trip that require your ticket to be re-priced, the Avios you collect will be based on the total eligible spend for your updated ticket.

Are there any changes to collecting Tier Points?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There is no change to the way you collect Tier Points or the number of Tier Points needed to reach the Executive Club membership levels.

Are there any changes to the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking?
No, we are changing the way members collect Avios when they fly. There are no changes to the options available to spend Avios, or the amount of Avios needed to make a reward booking.

If I’ve booked a reward ticket, can I still collect Avios on pre-purchased seats, bags and promotional upgrades?
Yes, any qualifying add-ons purchased on a reward booking from 18 October 2023 will collect Avios based on the total eligible spend.

Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket discounted with Avios?
Yes, members who use Avios to part-pay the price of a cash ticket will continue to collect Avios based on the full, total eligible spend for the booking, before the discount is applied.

Additionally, members who choose to part-pay or pay in full using Avios for pre-paid seating, baggage or airport promotional upgrades will now also be eligible to collect Avios based on the total eligible spend and Executive Club Tier level.

Do I collect Avios on a cash ticket where a discount or voucher code has been applied?
Yes, members who apply a discount or voucher code to their booking, will collect Avios on the total eligible spend after the discounted amount has been applied.

Any trip booked using an eVoucher issued as part of our Book With Confidence policy during the Covid-19 pandemic, will collect Avios based on the current distance-based awarding table.

If I purchase a ticket in another currency, how do I know what I will collect?
For tickets purchased in another currency, the total eligible spend will be converted to GBP using the IATA 5-day exchange rate applicable on the date the ticket was issued or the add-on was purchased. Your Avios will be calculated using this converted amount.

After 18 October 2023, will there be any exceptions when the new way of collecting Avios is applied to flights marketed by British Airways?
Yes, some tickets where the fare paid isn’t disclosed or isn’t available, including flights booked as part of a British Airways Holidays package, will continue collecting Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in (no minimum Avios apply).

Executive Club Bronze, Silver and Gold members will collect 15%, 30% or 50% extra Avios on top of the base flight award.

Will there be any changes to how I collect Avios on flights marketed by oneworld or other partner airlines?
From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.

For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.

We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.

How will I collect Avios on bookings where there is a combination of British Airways and partner airline marketed flights?
Flights marketed by British Airways or a partner airline that awards based on total eligible spend will collect Avios based on the pro-rated ticket price for those flights.

Flights marketed by other air partners will collect Avios, where applicable, based on how far you fly, the cabin you fly in and your Executive Club Tier level.

How can I see how many Avios I will collect on my flights?
You will be able to see the amount of Avios your trip will collect, including any eligible add-ons, in the Manage My Booking section of ba.com.

For journeys that are eligible to part-pay with Avios, you will also be able to see how many Avios you will collect on the flight summary page, before you pay for your booking.

For tickets where the fare isn’t disclosed, and for flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect on partner airlines.

If I pay for a booking for someone else, will I collect the Avios or the person who is travelling?
Executive Club members will collect Avios for the segments they fly themselves, regardless of who has purchased the ticket.

When will the Avios be credited to my account?
The same as today, up to three days after the flight or eligible add-on has been used. Air partners can take up to seven days to credit.

How do I claim missing Avios?
Claiming missing Avios will follow the same process as today in ba.com, under Manage my Account. To claim for any missing flights or eligible add-ons, simply enter the ticket number for your flight, which can be found on your e-ticket receipt.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 2:51 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
and presumably any non BA issued tickets won't earn based on cost since BA won't know how much you paid?
It reads as though IB issued tickets would also be fare based, all other OW issued tickets would be the under older mileage based system. Though the final paragraph has some wiggle room for further changes in the future.

​​​​​​From 18 October 2023, flights marketed by Iberia (IB) will collect Avios based on total eligible spend. You will also collect Avios for eligible add-ons on flights marketed and operated by Iberia.

For flights marketed by other oneworld or air partners, members will continue to collect Avios based on a percentage of how many miles you fly and the cabin you fly in. Check how many Avios you will collect.

We’ll update these pages as any further changes to how Executive Club members collect Avios with our partner airlines from 18 October 2023 are confirmed.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 2:55 am
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Originally Posted by GM1985
It reads as though IB issued tickets would also be fare based, all other OW issued tickets would be the under older mileage based system. Though the final paragraph has some wiggle room for further changes in the future.
I don't read it that way - it only refers to flights marketed by other airlines. It is possible for an airline such as AA to issue a ticket with BA marketed flight - BA may also know the fare paid
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 2:59 am
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Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot
I note that they did not give an example for a BA Gold card holder.
...and in the Blue and Silver examples given, they apply the new rules despite the flights all occurring well before the date when the change is introduced
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 2:59 am
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Originally Posted by GM1985
Could add an interesting dimension to things if Avios can be earned at the same time as redeeming them.
You can earn for "qualifying add ons" according to the FAQ; it doesn't sound like the carrier-imposed surcharge is included as a "qualifying add on" on an Avios redemption

However, if you part-pay with Avios, it seems you earn Avios on the full cash price quoted prior to the Avios application
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:00 am
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No change to TP /status earning

Status bonus brutally lowered now only 50% for GCH instead of 100%.

« Fun » fixing of exchange rate between £ for Ba flights and € for ib flights - if you are blue the xchange rate is 1.20 but if you are gold it’s 1.125…

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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:00 am
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Originally Posted by Never Stansted
I note BA Holidays are not switching over to the new system - so might well be worth booking a BAH and adding a night's accommodation when you find a very low premium fare in the future.
But still subject to the new tier bonus levels.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:01 am
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Originally Posted by orbitmic
No change to TP /status earning

Status bonus brutally lowered now only 50% for GCH instead of 100%.
Yes this was my first thought - a 25% cut in Avios earning when actually flying for BA's most frequent flyers.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:02 am
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Presumably this creates the kind of situation that I see on Lufthansa with Miles & More where ticket stock matters.

On cheap tickets, you're incentivised to have them issued on 016 (United) so they credit based on the distance chart. For expensive ones, have them issued on 220/724 so you get the multiplier. Also, it'll be interesting if Lufthansa revisit their earning rates which are only 4x for general members and 6x for elites.

I can see the same thing happening with BA, in that certainly on cheaper tickets, there will be a significant incentive to book on 001/105 stock instead of 125/075.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:03 am
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The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges

Does this mean you will get Avois on redemption tickets for the YQ charges?
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:05 am
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Originally Posted by escape2sun
The base fare and any carrier-imposed charges

Does this mean you will get Avois on redemption tickets for the YQ charges?
i don't think so, but any additional payment for bags/seats etc will attract Avios on that spend.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by irishguy28
...and in the Blue and Silver examples given, they apply the new rules despite the flights all occurring well before the date when the change is introduced
As you'd expect, they've cherry picked it.

That example assumes the fare is not a flexible one (J,C,D), or else the "premium" you get over the current system suddenly looks a lot less impressive at around 4k more rather than 12k.

The fare quoted there also excludes the other imposed surcharges. I've looked at an upcoming booking to the US in September for WT+ and those fees are just over £300. Most of the charges are the Heathrow service fee and UK APD.

in terms of my booking, I'd be nearly 5,0000avios worse off give the fare paid.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:09 am
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Based on the examples provided (which conveniently show an increase in Avios earned under the new model), is this also designed to incentivise flying BA over other One World carriers given partner flights will earn under the old model?

Yet another potential nail in the global alliance coffin for frequent fliers, alongside airlines limiting redemptions to their own members, dynamic pricing etc. etc.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:09 am
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I agree, that would be a radical change if you earned any avios for reward bookings. I don't think that is happening here.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:16 am
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Great news! This will significantly increase my earnings though it only partially covers the gap between what I earn on most transatlantic tickets as a United Global Services vs. British Airways Gold. 11 points per dollar up to 75,000 points versus 9 points per pound - presumably uncapped but for all but the most insanely expensive tickets, BA will still award fewer miles that require more money to use due to YQ.
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Old Jul 18, 2023, 3:18 am
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Well in terms cherry picking also note that obviously they are comparing nonstop from London only. If you had connections, you’d get avios for those too - for instance in club on a return, that would be a minimum 2500 extra avios for a gold or 1500 for a blue for the ce connections which now simply evaporate entirely.
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