G-XLEA BA207 LHR-MIA circling over Atlantic burning off fuel before returning to LHR
Jun 22, 2023, 10:14 am
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G-XLEA BA207 LHR-MIA circling over Atlantic burning off fuel before returning to LHR
BA207 has been circling over the Atlantic for a while now, captain has informed ATC that they have a standby system failure, so they're holding to burn fuel for about 2 hours before landing at LHR. The captain said on the radio that the aircraft will be grounded as a result. Aircraft is G-XLEA (A380), presumably this will worsen BA's ongoing frame shortage and may cause some cancellations of flights in the coming days.
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Jun 22, 2023, 10:41 am
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Twitter post says "#BAW207 advising London on 132.950".
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it that is technically illegal to post.
Whilst one might use a scanner for one's personal use (although some might argue it's a grey area). Recording is verboten and re-posting on-line is very much a big fat NO.
Whilst other jurisdictions might allow it (e.g. US, I believe are ok with it). UK jurisdiction is not.
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it that is technically illegal to post.
Whilst one might use a scanner for one's personal use (although some might argue it's a grey area). Recording is verboten and re-posting on-line is very much a big fat NO.
Whilst other jurisdictions might allow it (e.g. US, I believe are ok with it). UK jurisdiction is not.
Jun 22, 2023, 11:17 am
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Twitter post says "#BAW207 advising London on 132.950".
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it that is technically illegal to post.
Whilst one might use a scanner for one's personal use (although some might argue it's a grey area). Recording is verboten and re-posting on-line is very much a big fat NO.
Whilst other jurisdictions might allow it (e.g. US, I believe are ok with it). UK jurisdiction is not.
I'm not a lawyer, but as I understand it that is technically illegal to post.
Whilst one might use a scanner for one's personal use (although some might argue it's a grey area). Recording is verboten and re-posting on-line is very much a big fat NO.
Whilst other jurisdictions might allow it (e.g. US, I believe are ok with it). UK jurisdiction is not.
Jun 22, 2023, 11:26 am
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I’m also not a lawyer but since ATC is already a public frequency, is there an expectation of privacy? I’m not arguing with you on legality. Most laws on the topic are centered around recording of private conversations which ATC communications probably are not. I’m curious if there have been any court cases on the matter.
the rights and wrongs can be left for another thread.
Jun 22, 2023, 11:33 am
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Completely disagree; most other airlines' A380s aren't as useless as BAs. As a passenger, the A380 is the most comfortable way to fly.
Jun 22, 2023, 11:33 am
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I’m also not a lawyer but since ATC is already a public frequency, is there an expectation of privacy? I’m not arguing with you on legality. Most laws on the topic are centered around recording of private conversations which ATC communications probably are not. I’m curious if there have been any court cases on the matter.
An expert in the field can clarify/correct.
Given that scanners themselves are legal, it's virtually impossible to police it - Unless you're stupid enough to admit you've done it on twitter
Jun 22, 2023, 11:41 am
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Just curious then, is liveatc.net not accessible from a UK ip address?
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Jun 22, 2023, 11:49 am
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The law only applies to broadcast stations and equipment in the UK, over the UK, or in UK waters. So in the above case I think atc with Shannon oceanic wouldn’t be covered, but ATC with Shanwick oceanic or London control (the 132.950 frequency) would be.
Jun 22, 2023, 11:49 am
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I know a couple of streamers have had conversations with Ofcom regarding this. Speedbird TV is one. Their videos state ATC is provided for educational purposes only (not an excuse in law as far as I'm aware) but, so far, they haven't been prosecuted.
Funnily enough they also claim copyright over the images in their videos - quote "ALL VIDEO IS COPYRIGHT SDTV 2022. DO NOT UPLOAD WITHOUT PERMISS".
Hypocrites.