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Old Mar 26, 2022, 10:40 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
I can't comment about T2, but from what was reported in the post I quoted we were told First Wing security was 'quick' and the First Lounge didn't appear busy, and there being no suggestion that insufficient desks were opened in the First Wing, and no mention of any IT issues, and no mention of insufficient staff at the First Wing, then it would be fair to suggest a contributing factor to those delays in check-in "might" be because "some" passengers were unprepared with their COVID documentation or VeriFly. Is that not a reasonable view to form, given all the available evidence?

Given the lack of any reports, is not also safe to assume that T5 was just as efficient as T2 was on your most recent visit?
I am sure we can find many reasons that contributes by 1% to this chaos but lets be honest its BA. Covid, Brexit, supply issues due to the war, we have heard everything. I just came back from Brazil and i used 4 different airlines (Swiss, Azul, Gol, Latam) and more than 10 airports. Not a single time i experienced this dreadful experience we can see in the photos. It is amazing how once again we managed to acuse the passenger for this chaos instead of the obvious one. Also many places around the world have relaxed most of covid restrictions and we see this chaos with BA every weekend...
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by ermis177
I am sure we can find many reasons that contributes by 1% to this chaos but lets be honest its BA. Covid, Brexit, supply issues due to the war, we have heard everything. I just came back from Brazil and i used 4 different airlines (Swiss, Azul, Gol, Latam) and more than 10 airports. Not a single time i experienced this dreadful experience we can see in the photos. It is amazing how once again we managed to acuse the passenger for this chaos instead of the obvious one. Also many places around the world have relaxed most of covid restrictions and we see this chaos with BA every weekend...
What would you say the issue(s) were at check in which resulted in this bottleneck for outbound passengers? And how could they be addressed to reduce the problem?
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 11:28 am
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what confuses me re the first wing is as compared to pre-covid, there are far fewer routes with first so today even with all or nearly all desks open, why is it such a mess? is the morning schedule today so drastically different than pre-covid to warrant this type of queue? are the additional OWE really adding to this compared to pre-covid?
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by VSLover
what confuses me re the first wing is as compared to pre-covid, there are far fewer routes with first so today even with all or nearly all desks open, why is it such a mess? is the morning schedule today so drastically different than pre-covid to warrant this type of queue? are the additional OWE really adding to this compared to pre-covid?
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by ermis177
I am sure we can find many reasons that contributes by 1% to this chaos but lets be honest its BA. Covid, Brexit, supply issues due to the war, we have heard everything. I just came back from Brazil and i used 4 different airlines (Swiss, Azul, Gol, Latam) and more than 10 airports. Not a single time i experienced this dreadful experience we can see in the photos. It is amazing how once again we managed to acuse the passenger for this chaos instead of the obvious one. Also many places around the world have relaxed most of covid restrictions and we see this chaos with BA every weekend...
Now I appreciate you like to be critical at every opportunity, but, dealing specifically with the post of mine you responded to, given we were told First Wing security was 'quick' and the First Lounge didn't appear busy, and there being no suggestion that insufficient desks were opened in the First Wing, and there being no mention of any IT issues, and no mention of insufficient staff at the First Wing, what do you think was the issue in the First Wing this morning if you don’t accept a contributing factor to those delays "might" be because "some" passengers were unprepared with their COVID documentation or VeriFly?
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 11:53 am
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
Are you not receiving the pre-departure email “Helping you get flight ready”? In that email there is a link, if you click it, that takes you to the pages where all the COVID-19 travel requirements will be found for each destination.
Sending an email and then asking me to visit a website and find my destination etc etc is just far too many steps in the chain. When EasyJet can send me a text with the precise instructions right within the message, why can’t BA?

Example text from EasyJet prior to a flight to Faro:

“For international flights, the Portuguese Government requires you to have proof of a negative test before you travel (PCR test done within 72 hours or Rapid Antigen test done within 48 hours before departure). Self-tests are not accepted. Only customers with EU-DCC showing proof of recovery are exempt from the test requirement. For all flights (including domestic flights) you must also complete an online PLF before boarding, regardless of your vaccination status (https://portugalcleanandsafe.pt/en/p...r-locator-card). All customers travelling to mainland Portugal must go to Bag Drop to have their documents checked. Please check the latest Government requirements for full details. If your plans need to change you can make fee-free changes up to 2 hours before your flight online https://www.easyjet.com/en/pledge”
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 11:55 am
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Originally Posted by KARFA
What would you say the issue(s) were at check in which resulted in this bottleneck for outbound passengers? And how could they be addressed to reduce the problem?
Not enough staff obviously. How to resolve the problem? Where do i start....

Offer incentives when people want to do overtime, for example 1.5X of the salary. Secondly, offer some good wages to your staff. I am not sure how many people will apply and how motivated will be with a 20k +shift pay salary. I just had a quick look and this is the salary for customer service representantive role. The job description includes ' provide differentiated service to premium customers'. Not sure how this can be achieved with poverty salaries.
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Tobias-UK
Now I appreciate you like to be critical at every opportunity, but, dealing specifically with the post of mine you responded to, given we were told First Wing security was 'quick' and the First Lounge didn't appear busy, and there being no suggestion that insufficient desks were opened in the First Wing, and there being no mention of any IT issues, and no mention of insufficient staff at the First Wing, what do you think was the issue in the First Wing this morning if you don’t accept a contributing factor to those delays "might" be because "some" passengers were unprepared with their COVID documentation or VeriFly?
Firstly, thanks for appreciating that. I also appreciate your recent experiences in First and your contribution to the forum. I am almost convinced that the same exactly food choices and desserts we see in J and F are completely different in F with higher quality ingredients... We only had 1 report that the lounge did not appear to be busy so i cannot comment on that. I can only comment what i can see
Last as i said i am sure there would be a very small portion of passengers with the wrong documents but again this should not cause the same issue every weekend right? Also BA had 2+ years to get prepared for that.

The big picture is that BA knows exactly what they are doing and its a cost cutting excersise. A very recent example is club europe. At the moment club europe food is superior to what Swiss or Lufthansa offers in many short haul destinations. The problem is that it took BA more than 2 years to revert back to what it should to offer due to all sort of lame excuses when we all know it was about cost cutting.
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 12:08 pm
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Originally Posted by ermis177
Not enough staff obviously. How to resolve the problem? Where do i start....

Offer incentives when people want to do overtime, for example 1.5X of the salary. Secondly, offer some good wages to your staff. I am not sure how many people will apply and how motivated will be with a 20k +shift pay salary. I just had a quick look and this is the salary for customer service representantive role. The job description includes ' provide differentiated service to premium customers'. Not sure how this can be achieved with poverty salaries.
I don’t think it is that obvious unfortunately since my experience today and previously is pretty much all check in desks are staffed.
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 12:12 pm
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Originally Posted by BahrainLad
Sending an email and then asking me to visit a website and find my destination etc etc is just far too many steps in the chain. When EasyJet can send me a text with the precise instructions right within the message, why can’t BA?

Example text from EasyJet prior to a flight to Faro:
You can take a horse to water …
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 12:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Lefly
Did they reopen the security fast track for international connections?
It still been closed every time I’ve passed by.
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 12:34 pm
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Tonight’s LHR-GLA-LHR hasn’t been catered for Y or CE. Lounge agent telling passengers now, £15 voucher being given out for those in rows 1-5
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA
I don’t think it is that obvious unfortunately since my experience today and previously is pretty much all check in desks are staffed.
What are the issues which cause T5 to be a worse experience than other airports? Lack of physical check in desks which cant be easily fixed?

Regardless it makes the overall BA proposition less attractive!
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 1:26 pm
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One factor here is the concept of Ready to Fly didn't envisage a world where multiple pieces of paper needed checking by humans, with different pieces of paper per country, and potentially sub-sets within 1 country (e.g. for children). So the LCC practice of a final check of HBO passengers at the gate before boarding doesn't sit well with this, nor would BA want to be returning bags from the warehouse because people have misunderstood the rules.

This is what I would do
- Give up on VeriFLY and use Salesforce for all locations - and get slick at processing paperwork, calling people if something needs checking or re-sending.
- Go as far as possible with OLCI producing boarding papers, printing ADOC if Salesforce came up OK
- In T5 have the main countries listed out for rapid manual checks at specialist desks - France, Spain, Italy, USA etc
- These desks can then stamp ADOC on the boarding passes / give a sticker for App check-ins - send people on to the self service drop machines
- The self service drop machine queues then have someone on a tablet enabling RtF for all ADOCs.
- Encourage Goldies to embrace the system to avoid the queues. Eeek.
- Try to keep people turning up no more than 2.5 hours to departure on Saturday mornings.
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Old Mar 26, 2022, 1:32 pm
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Originally Posted by xenole
All these people who had their Gold cards extended for another year
And all those people who spent enough on their BA Holiday to get free access to the First Wing .. I imagine that will all calm down after the end of March when the offer ends!
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