BA and the US 5G Issue
Jan 20, 2022, 3:31 am
#46
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Jan 20, 2022, 3:37 am
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Slightly off topic but related to the above. I did notice BA flew a 787 to JFK yesterday and also an A350 was mentioned above.
For a route I use a lot, this is exceptionally unusual. Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
Also why does JFK seem to have 0 flexibility with airline type? Unlike somewhere like MIA thats literally seen every iteration of long haul BA aircraft down the years.
For a route I use a lot, this is exceptionally unusual. Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
Also why does JFK seem to have 0 flexibility with airline type? Unlike somewhere like MIA thats literally seen every iteration of long haul BA aircraft down the years.
Jan 20, 2022, 4:00 am
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Jan 20, 2022, 4:08 am
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Slightly off topic but related to the above. I did notice BA flew a 787 to JFK yesterday and also an A350 was mentioned above.
For a route I use a lot, this is exceptionally unusual. Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
Also why does JFK seem to have 0 flexibility with airline type? Unlike somewhere like MIA thats literally seen every iteration of long haul BA aircraft down the years.
For a route I use a lot, this is exceptionally unusual. Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
Also why does JFK seem to have 0 flexibility with airline type? Unlike somewhere like MIA thats literally seen every iteration of long haul BA aircraft down the years.
Jan 20, 2022, 4:23 am
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Hi
I think I have seen some photos of dc10s at jfk ( doing the lgw jfk route) close to 2000 but not sure when they retired the dc10s)
Regards
Tbs
I think I have seen some photos of dc10s at jfk ( doing the lgw jfk route) close to 2000 but not sure when they retired the dc10s)
Regards
Tbs
Jan 20, 2022, 4:30 am
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Jan 20, 2022, 4:41 am
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Brisbane Road asked "Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?" That's not the same question as "Has BA ever flown anything other than a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
I would say the answer is never, except for ash-cloud and snow events when nothing flew at all. And full air-space closure, if we go back just over two decades.
I would say the answer is never, except for ash-cloud and snow events when nothing flew at all. And full air-space closure, if we go back just over two decades.
Jan 20, 2022, 11:50 am
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Brisbane Road asked "Has BA ever not flown a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?" That's not the same question as "Has BA ever flown anything other than a 747/777 to JFK over the past two decades or so?
I would say the answer is never, except for ash-cloud and snow events when nothing flew at all. And full air-space closure, if we go back just over two decades.
I would say the answer is never, except for ash-cloud and snow events when nothing flew at all. And full air-space closure, if we go back just over two decades.
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Jan 20, 2022, 12:07 pm
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Jan 20, 2022, 4:44 pm
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Further to my earlier post #27 above, I have learned of a further mitigation in place outside the US (as well as the different frequencies and power in use): agencies have coordinated such that 5G base stations operating in C band are restricted from operating within a ~2 miles of a CAT II/III instrument approach.
Jan 21, 2022, 3:22 am
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FWIW it is not only aviation and Radio Altimeters that are being hurt by C-band 5G. The big user or C-band in the past have been satellite communications, in particular the satellite to ground links which in the past used 'extended' C-band which runs from 3.4-4.2GHz. That had previously been eroded by WiMax internet links which operate up to 3.8GHz meaning the satellite users were pushed to using above 3.9GHz and some expensive filtering that causes other problems. 5G now makes the satellite services unviable in some places. Unfortunately money speaks and the 5G operators have plenty of that.
Jan 21, 2022, 1:02 pm
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So for each airline they need their fleets approved for each individual runway in the USA they plan on flying too. That takes time to achieve for runways where these 5g masts are located. The 777 is the most affected fleet at present from my reading of the current notices.