BA to trial IATA Travel Pass
Jan 28, 2021, 7:12 pm
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There is vaccine and there is vaccine.
There is increasing evidence that someone infected by the original strains can be reinfected by the SA variant. Current vaccines are less effective against the ZA variant (and probably future ones) and it is likely that we will see new versions of the current vaccines to deal with it. So we might have Pfizer ve2,...
In some countries the second shot is given with a long time lag, if ever. Some might get two vaccines or mixed shots, etc...
Some countries have been noted for generating fake PCR reports. Same could happen with Vaccine reports.
Will be a total mess and I don't see a common, secured, reliable platform before a very long time.
There is increasing evidence that someone infected by the original strains can be reinfected by the SA variant. Current vaccines are less effective against the ZA variant (and probably future ones) and it is likely that we will see new versions of the current vaccines to deal with it. So we might have Pfizer ve2,...
In some countries the second shot is given with a long time lag, if ever. Some might get two vaccines or mixed shots, etc...
Some countries have been noted for generating fake PCR reports. Same could happen with Vaccine reports.
Will be a total mess and I don't see a common, secured, reliable platform before a very long time.
Jan 28, 2021, 7:29 pm
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My inoculation card is now in my travel wallet. It is a piece of paper that was filled out at the time I got both shots.
However, I am also in the CDC study of side effects after inoculation (V-Safe) which to me would be a perfect way to monitor those who have gotten vaccines and provide evidence of vaccination.
The trouble is that V-Safe has to follow HIPAA rules, which completely takes it out of the running for a vaccine passport
However, I am also in the CDC study of side effects after inoculation (V-Safe) which to me would be a perfect way to monitor those who have gotten vaccines and provide evidence of vaccination.
The trouble is that V-Safe has to follow HIPAA rules, which completely takes it out of the running for a vaccine passport
Jan 29, 2021, 12:33 am
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Right now the WHO hasn't authorised yet the use of its certificate (AKA the yellow booklet). If/when it does, I'm hopeful that the simplest solution (the yellow booklet) will be used. I know of people who have had theirs stamped.
I know, I know, it's easily falsifiable, it's not on an app, it's not based on blockchain, no techie wearing a hoodie in an open-space office with dogs and a Subbuteo table has coded it but... it worked for ages, it's accepted as proof that you've had vaccination against yellow feaver (mortality rate = 20-50% vs 3.5% of Covid), everyone from gate agents to customs officers in West Africa know it, you can fold baksheesh in it. All things you cannot do with an app.
I know, I know, it's easily falsifiable, it's not on an app, it's not based on blockchain, no techie wearing a hoodie in an open-space office with dogs and a Subbuteo table has coded it but... it worked for ages, it's accepted as proof that you've had vaccination against yellow feaver (mortality rate = 20-50% vs 3.5% of Covid), everyone from gate agents to customs officers in West Africa know it, you can fold baksheesh in it. All things you cannot do with an app.
Jan 29, 2021, 1:46 am
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WHO sticks to its recommendation against immunity passport, although it supports the Estonia pilot project of digital certificate.
WHO is a slow and bureaucratic organization which lost a lot of credit recently.
I doubt that a paper yellow booklet for covid will ever see the light.
WHO is a slow and bureaucratic organization which lost a lot of credit recently.
I doubt that a paper yellow booklet for covid will ever see the light.
Jan 29, 2021, 2:00 am
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WHO sticks to its recommendation against immunity passport, although it supports the Estonia pilot project of digital certificate.
WHO is a slow and bureaucratic organization which lost a lot of credit recently.
I doubt that a paper yellow booklet for covid will ever see the light.
WHO is a slow and bureaucratic organization which lost a lot of credit recently.
I doubt that a paper yellow booklet for covid will ever see the light.
Jan 29, 2021, 2:21 am
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Jan 29, 2021, 2:45 am
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All I'm saying is that it's already there and it's already in use. Sure, it can be manipulated; but so can the .pdfs the we use right now to show a negative tests. And in a similar way apps and so on can be hacked... I feel we're overengineering this, like it's very easy to do when tech can be involved. A modern-day rendition of the sadly apocryphal story of the NASA pen vs the Cosmonaut's pencil.
Jan 29, 2021, 3:12 am
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It’s amazing that this handwritten document has been accepted in good faith by immigration authorities for at least 40 years, and now the talk is all about “how can I fake my covid passport”. Looks like there’s a lot more wrong with the world than just covid.
Jan 29, 2021, 3:36 am
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I live in Los Angeles and was given the card when I got my 1st dose of the vaccine. A couple of days later, I got a digital version that includes all of my information plus the vaccine lot number, date, location and the name of the person who administered it.
Jan 29, 2021, 1:11 pm
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Every state in the US is doing their own thing. In fact, some states, have each county functioning with their own policies. I live in a county where hospitals were giving vaccines via a website signup, then the county made them stop to have their own program, and now... the state says it will have a program. So... good luck with a seamless digital program.
Jan 29, 2021, 2:15 pm
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BA announced today that they will be trialling VeriFly from 4th February:-
https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...yQ62r6ix9GP6M4
https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...yQ62r6ix9GP6M4
Jan 29, 2021, 6:26 pm
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BA announced today that they will be trialling VeriFly from 4th February:-
https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...yQ62r6ix9GP6M4
https://mediacentre.britishairways.c...yQ62r6ix9GP6M4
Not a great news for the IATA pass. Airlines are going in separate ways.
Jan 29, 2021, 6:29 pm
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I wonder how this works for those who can't (currently) have the vaccine - e.g. I found out from relatives who have been vaccinated that the vaccines are not available for those with any history of allergic reactions or anaphylactic shocks - will these people be barred from travel?
She said it doesn't matter if she gets a second dose in three weeks or at the government timetable. "I can't go anywhere warm thanks to the lockdown."
Jan 30, 2021, 1:06 am
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