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Old Jun 11, 2020, 2:37 am
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Heathrow Longhaul - (Destinations and frequencies are based on information available as of 16th June)

Boston - Daily A350-1000XWB
Chicago - Daily 787-9
Dallas - Daily 787-9 (from 16th July)
Delhi - Daily 787-8 (from 16th July)
Dubai - 3 x Weekly 777-200ER (from 17th July)
Hong Kong - Daily 777-300ER
Los Angeles - Daily 787-9
Miami - Daily 787-9
New York JFK - Daily 777-200ER
San Francisco - Daily 787-9
Seattle - Daily 787-8 (from 23rd July)
Seoul - 3 x Weekly 787-8
Singapore - Frequency varies 5 x Weekly to Daily 777-300ER
Tokyo Haneda - 3 x Weekly 787-9
Toronto - Daily 787-9 (from 16th July)
Washington - Daily A350-1000XWB

Heathrow Shorthaul - (Destinations and frequencies are based the schedule for week commencing 6th July, as of 11th June)

Aberdeen - 2 x Daily
Algiers - 2 x Weekly
Alicante - 4 x Weekly
Amsterdam - 20 x Weekly
Athens - 15 x Weekly
Barcelona - 19 x Weekly
Basel - 6 x Weekly
Belfast City - 2 x Daily
Berlin - 19 x Weekly
Billund - 3 x Weekly
Bologna - Daily
Brussels - 13 x Weekly
Bucharest - 3 x Weekly
Budapest 10 x Weekly
Chania - 4 x Weekly
Corfu - 4 x Weekly
Copenhagen - 14 x Weekly
Dublin - 2 x Daily
Düsseldorf - 6 x Weekly
Edinburgh - 20 x Weekly
Faro - 3 x Weekly
Geneva - 12 x Weekly
Gibraltar - 4 x Weekly
Glasgow - 2 x Daily
Gothenburg - 3 x Weekly
Hamburg - 6 x Weekly
Hannover - 6 x Weekly
Ibiza - 5 x Weekly
Inverness - Daily
Istanbul - 5 x Weekly
Jersey - 7 x Weekly
Kalamata - 1 x Weekly
Krakow - 5 x Weekly
Larnaca - 10 x Weekly
Lisbon - 2 x Daily
Luxembourg - 6 x Weekly
Madrid - 2 x Daily
Malaga - 4 x Weekly
Manchester - 2 x Daily
Marseille - 4 x Weekly
Milan Malpensa- 2 x Daily
Munich - 6 x Weekly
Mykonos - 4 x Weekly
Newcastle - Daily
Nice - 12 x Weekly
Oslo - 8 x Weekly
Palermo - 3 x Weekly
Palma - 9 x Weekly
Paris - 3 x Daily
Pisa - Daily
Prague - 12 x Weekly
Preveza - 2 x Weekly
Pristina - 1 x Weekly
Reykjavik - 3 x Weekly
Rhodes - 1 x Weekly
Rome - 2 x Daily
Santorini - 4 x Weekly
Sofia - 3 x Weekly
Split - 4 x Weekly
Stockholm - 12 x Weekly
Tirana - 2 x Weekly
Toulouse - Daily
Valencia - 4 x Weekly
Venice - Daily
Vienna - 7 x Weekly
Warsaw - Daily
Zagreb - 4 x Weekly
Zakynthos - 2 x Weekly
Zurich - 11 x Weekly

Gatwick Longhaul - (Destinations and frequencies are based on information available as of 12th June)

Antigua - 4 Class 772ER offering a 3 class service will op 2 x Weekly from 19th July. Aircraft will nightstop in ANU, returning next evening,
Barbados - 4 Class 772ER will operate 2 x Weekly from 18th July. Aircraft will nightstop in BGI, returning the following evening
Bermuda - 4 Class 772ER will operate 2 x Weekly from 17th July
Cancun - 3 Class 772ER will operate 3 x Weekly from 15th July
Kingston - 3 Class 772ER will operate 2 x Weekly from 20th July
Punta Cana - 3 Class 772ER will operate 2 x Weekly from 19th July
St Lucia - 3 Class 772ER operates 25th July Only. Aircraft will night stop UVF, returning the following evening

Gatwick Shorthaul - (Destinations and frequencies are based on information available as of 15th June)

Bilbao - Operates 22nd/26th and 29th July
Cagliari - 2 x Weekly from 18th July
Dalaman - From 17th July frequency varies between 2 and 3 x Weekly
Dubrovnik - From 16th July frequency varies between 2 and 3 x Weekly
Faro - From 1st July 15th July frequency varies between 6 and 8 x Weekly - All flights planned for 1st to 15th have moved to LHR
Heraklion - From 17th July frequency varies between 2 and 3 x Weekly
Ibiza - From 2nd 15th July frequency varies between 5 and 6 x Weekly. All flights planned for 2nd to 15th have moved to LHR
Kos - 2 x Weekly from 18th July
Mahon - From 15th July frequency varies between 3 and 4 x Weekly
Malaga - From 1st July frequency varies between 1 and 2 x Daily
Marrakesh - 2 x Weekly from 16th July
Naples - 5 x Weekly from 20th July
Palma - From 15th July frequency varies between 3 and 5 x Weekly
Paphos - 3 x Weekly from 18th July
Porto - 2 x Weekly from 16th July
Rhodes - 1 x Weekly from 18th July
Seville - 2 x Weekly from 15th July
Tenerife - 2 x Weekly from 18th July
Thessaloniki - 2 x Weekly from 18th July
Turin - 2 x Weekly from 15th July
Verona - From 17th July frequency varies between 3 and 4 x Weekly

London City - (Destinations and frequencies are based on information available as of 18th June)

Dublin - 6 x Weekly from 20th July
Edinburgh - 10 x Weekly from 20th July
Florence - 3 x Weekly from 10th July
Glasgow - 6 x Weekly from 20th July
Ibiza - 7 x Weekly from 10th July
Isle of Man- 6 x Weekly
Malaga - 3 x Weekly from 10th July
Palma - 3 x Weekly from 10th July



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Old May 6, 2020, 3:32 am
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I've been reading this morning that other airlines are planning to open up routes over the summer. I wouldn't be surprised to see BA follow.
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Old May 6, 2020, 3:36 am
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Originally Posted by South London Bon Viveur
Indeed. By comparison some private clinics in London (e.g. Harley Street) are charging up to £400. A test on arrival seems like a good idea. However, as a poster above said, if you "fail", then that really will be a complete pain and I wonder what would happen then? Would you be sent on your way with an instruction to self- isolate? Doubtful- too risky. Presumably you would simply be detailed somewhere in a forced quarantine?
There's also a problem about reliability of the tests. I was listening to news in the US and apparently there's 150+ antibody tests on sale in America. None of them is FDA Approved and a lot of them have questionable reliability.

Also, we don't know enough about tests. Research (studies done on patients in China and Italy) seem to indicate that all those who have had the virus will develop antibodies. But there's no certainty over whether everyone has enough to be immune, what the 'threshold' is and, once we agree on that, there's the test reliability chestnut as above. I suppose we'll get to the point where we will have some sort of immunity's ID card (I know that ID cards are not welcome in the Anglo Saxon world but hear me out), a bit like ESTA and Yellow Fever vaccinations... but when? In the meantime I suppose the best we can hope is travel within our 'bubbles' of security, like Australia/NZ are thinking of doing and somebody is starting to talk about in the EU/Schengen.

Personally, considering what's happening in the US and the problems they're having, I wouldn't want to travel there or for the UK to open up too much to them. But considering how US-mad everyone is here it won't matter.
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Old May 6, 2020, 4:06 am
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Originally Posted by Speedbird Julie
I've been reading this morning that other airlines are planning to open up routes over the summer. I wouldn't be surprised to see BA follow.
One thing I think we can all agree on is that BA wants to fly and will do so if it can. Its current rolling cancellations are testimony to that - flights generally seem to be left until there is no option but to cancel.

BA is however at the mercy of the response. Most countries are lifting lockdowns slowly and I cannot imagine they are going to be tolerable of second waves that are instigated by 'imported cases'. If tourists are bringing in the virus, borders are going to be closed at very short notice, if only to certain countries.

Whatever BA is able to fly, I imagine it will do.
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Old May 6, 2020, 4:32 am
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Originally Posted by Bohinjska Bistrica
One thing I think we can all agree on is that BA wants to fly and will do so if it can. Its current rolling cancellations are testimony to that - flights generally seem to be left until there is no option but to cancel.

BA is however at the mercy of the response. Most countries are lifting lockdowns slowly and I cannot imagine they are going to be tolerable of second waves that are instigated by 'imported cases'. If tourists are bringing in the virus, borders are going to be closed at very short notice, if only to certain countries.

Whatever BA is able to fly, I imagine it will do.
BBC reporting this morning European leaders (Italy and Germany) hinting when borders will open and gives hope for summer holidays. Also the Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania have agreed to reopen borders to each other on 15th May so some encouraging news.
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Old May 6, 2020, 5:05 am
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However.
- Most of those have said they expect tourist from neighbors countries, coming by cars, including Greece.
- They plan to have a corridor of "COVID-19 safe" countries, where the pandemic is controlled and with health care capacity. That ain't the UK and when they describe who might be in this corridor, the UK is never mentioned. Neither is France for example,typically this is: "Germany - Austria - Croatia - Greece".
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Old May 6, 2020, 5:09 am
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Agree but also :Germany's tourism commissioner, Thomas Bareiss, told Der Tagesspiegel newspaper earlier this week that if the outbreak stayed under control, people might be able to take foreign breaks "in the next four to eight weeks".

He said destinations would mainly be neighbouring countries but added: "I would not yet write off other regions in Europe, such as the Balearic Islands or the Greek islands".

So this would involve flights I know UK is not mentioned but it's a start.
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Old May 6, 2020, 9:04 am
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Originally Posted by South London Bon Viveur
Indeed. By comparison some private clinics in London (e.g. Harley Street) are charging up to £400. A test on arrival seems like a good idea. However, as a poster above said, if you "fail", then that really will be a complete pain and I wonder what would happen then? Would you be sent on your way with an instruction to self- isolate? Doubtful- too risky. Presumably you would simply be detailed somewhere in a forced quarantine?
A pre-boarding bi-lateral arrangement would surely be the way to go.

Fail = go home and isolate
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Old May 6, 2020, 1:33 pm
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Looking at some holiday contingency planning just in case restrictions are lifted say mid July as there's more and more talk of some countries opening up In June, UK currently blacklisted though. But the routes I am looking at are tourist routes in Greece for example all go from Gatwick, so am I wasting my time, will the routes get canned anyway? What are your views thanks?
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Old May 6, 2020, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by paulaf
Looking at some holiday contingency planning just in case restrictions are lifted say mid July as there's more and more talk of some countries opening up In June, UK currently blacklisted though. But the routes I am looking at are tourist routes in Greece for example all go from Gatwick, so am I wasting my time, will the routes get canned anyway? What are your views thanks?
BA might get canceled due to low demand. Especially those flights from Gatwick. As I mentioned on another post, Wizzair confirmed that they would operate flights to Zakynthos and Heraklion from Vienna, you could try to book a WizzAir flight via VIE if you really would like to have a confirmed booking that is not likely to be confirmed.
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Old May 6, 2020, 7:17 pm
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Wizzair have also announced flights from Luton to the Greek Islands for peak summer
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Old May 6, 2020, 11:17 pm
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Originally Posted by paulaf
But the routes I am looking at are tourist routes in Greece for example all go from Gatwick, so am I wasting my time, will the routes get canned anyway? What are your views thanks?
Have you spotted that a few Greece routes now go from LHR, including EFL, PVK and CFU which are within 300mi of TGD such that BA might switch over your TGD booking.

Or switch your trip to DBV and drive to Montenegro. Admittedly that requires two countries to admit you but you might gamble BA are more likely to find a slot for DBV than smaller destinations.
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Old May 7, 2020, 3:54 am
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Have you spotted that a few Greece routes now go from LHR, including EFL, PVK and CFU which are within 300mi of TGD such that BA might switch over your TGD booking.

Or switch your trip to DBV and drive to Montenegro. Admittedly that requires two countries to admit you but you might gamble BA are more likely to find a slot for DBV than smaller destinations.
Thanks will keep EFL & PVK in mind from Heathrow then been to both and they're lovely islands, been to Corfu too many times! Don't fancy the drive from DBV though as previously read about the long border crossing times but guess it might be a lot quieter this year.
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Old May 7, 2020, 5:47 am
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I saw the comments above re the testing situation and agree that at this stage there doesn't appear to be anything that inspires much confidence. However, lots of very bright minds are working on this and I hope that we'll see some positive developments here that will aid a return to travel prior to the vaccine becoming available.
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Old May 7, 2020, 5:55 am
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Originally Posted by TravellerFrequently
Looks like BA is now dealing with July cancellations.

I received an email today from BA for a flight to OTP. From past performance, this email is followed within 48 hours by a cancellation.
i thought this. I had a flight to dusseldorf booked with avios at the end of July. I was going to opt for the voucher but once i got this email i figured it would be cancelled and im just going to wait.
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Old May 7, 2020, 6:34 am
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Originally Posted by MiraculousM
i thought this. I had a flight to dusseldorf booked with avios at the end of July. I was going to opt for the voucher but once i got this email i figured it would be cancelled and im just going to wait.
I also had the email for a DUS flight in July, on Monday afternoon. No cancellation as yet, so the 48 hour theory is by no means proven.
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