Long haul aircraft on short haul routes
Jan 19, 2020, 9:55 am
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And UX [Air Europa, soon to enter the IAG fold apparently].All AMS flights are on widebodies, and even some of their domestic (well, to the Canary Islands) are on widebodies too. This should not be taken as meaning that these are the only European destinations to receive Air Europa widebodies - just the ones I have direct experience of.
Jan 19, 2020, 9:56 am
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https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...from-sep-2019/
https://www.ittn.ie/news/hainan-airl...or-the-winter/
Jan 19, 2020, 10:43 am
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20 seats extra sold at probably the lowest fare (maybe £50) if all filled- would give £1,000 extra at most. Take off taxes, ground handling costs for extra extra passenger and maybe you have around £800 left. That then has to the pay for much higher en route and airport charges due to higher MTOW of the 787 (that governs the charging rates). Then fuel burn will be much more than for an A321 and then there’s a risk the evening ICN flight incurs 200seats worth of EU261 if it’s late due to strikes, or thunderstorms delaying summer flights. That fails to sound like a very compelling plan to me just to sell 20 extra seats at most.. so good luck with the pipe dream! There are very rational reasons why airlines prefer not to do this. Only where there are strong passenger or cargo flows (like London Madrid) does it seem to be worth misusing long haul equipment on some days.
Jan 19, 2020, 11:27 am
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You clearly have never flown to or over France in summer. It’s a huge risk!! And happens almost every year.
20 seats extra sold at probably the lowest fare (maybe £50) if all filled- would give £1,000 extra at most. Take off taxes, ground handling costs for extra extra passenger and maybe you have around £800 left. That then has to the pay for much higher en route and airport charges due to higher MTOW of the 787 (that governs the charging rates). Then fuel burn will be much more than for an A321 and then there’s a risk the evening ICN flight incurs 200seats worth of EU261 if it’s late due to strikes, or thunderstorms delaying summer flights. That fails to sound like a very compelling plan to me just to sell 20 extra seats at most.. so good luck with the pipe dream! There are very rational reasons why airlines prefer not to do this. Only where there are strong passenger or cargo flows (like London Madrid) does it seem to be worth misusing long haul equipment on some days.
20 seats extra sold at probably the lowest fare (maybe £50) if all filled- would give £1,000 extra at most. Take off taxes, ground handling costs for extra extra passenger and maybe you have around £800 left. That then has to the pay for much higher en route and airport charges due to higher MTOW of the 787 (that governs the charging rates). Then fuel burn will be much more than for an A321 and then there’s a risk the evening ICN flight incurs 200seats worth of EU261 if it’s late due to strikes, or thunderstorms delaying summer flights. That fails to sound like a very compelling plan to me just to sell 20 extra seats at most.. so good luck with the pipe dream! There are very rational reasons why airlines prefer not to do this. Only where there are strong passenger or cargo flows (like London Madrid) does it seem to be worth misusing long haul equipment on some days.
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Jan 19, 2020, 12:05 pm
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My opinion NCE would be well down the list for a wide body.
As happens to other destinations, if there is extra demand at certain times of the year the extra services are put on.
As happens to other destinations, if there is extra demand at certain times of the year the extra services are put on.
Jan 19, 2020, 12:37 pm
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Iberia a330/340 mad-lpa
As far as BA is concerned I do think they should consider a wide body aircraft for the LCA route in the future...since the 767 has gone it's really a nightmare on the 320/321neos for a flight time which is often more than 5 hours.
Jan 19, 2020, 12:49 pm
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Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 pm
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Air France has in the past used an A340 from CDG - and indeed operated the A380 during the summer of 2010 (?) on the same route.
Jan 19, 2020, 12:55 pm
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Whilst it's nice to dream about having a widebody on a short-haul route that isn't a MAD rotation, it's just not going to happen (unless it's after disruption, like c-w-s said). And it's sure as hell not going to be a 787. Leaving aside the problems with the engines, and the fact that Menzies and Aviapartner seem to have made a pact whereby if BA flies a new aircraft type (or subtype) they'll crash into it, the 787 fleet is one of the most used fleets and one with the least downtime.
Those flights to Cyprus and Istanbul ought to have something similar to the Mid-Haul A321, at least for the length of the journey and, in the case of IST, the competition of TK but it's evidently not worth the hassle (or, rather, you're not going to get a revenue advantage so the investment cannot be justified).
Whilst we're on the topic of dreams I'd love BA to fly to Sarajevo and to return to the Caucasus and Central Asia but, considering that in all my travels there I met only three Brits (two oilers in Aqtobe and one mad overlander in Dushanbe) I doubt it'll happen. Less Austin, more Almaty folks!!!
Jan 19, 2020, 1:03 pm
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A whole widebody packed to the rafters by film stars, starlettes, wannabes and film critics? That's probably what awaits me in hell.
Jan 19, 2020, 1:08 pm
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I recall those A300 aircraft which seemed to be constantly full flying all sorts of routes within Europe for AF, LH, AZ amongst others. Were they very loss-making as there really has not been anything similar to come along? I do recall that in the days when AF was state run, all domestic flights were operated by Air Inter. They had the A330 and I flew it once ORY - MPL. They also had A300s (I suspect that they had little choice given AF's commitment to Airbus) which even flew ORY - LYS. The coming of the TGV put pay to all that.
Jan 19, 2020, 1:10 pm
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