Situation in the Middle East and possible implications for BA
Jan 7, 2020, 1:21 am
#31
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It is an individual or a company that provides goods of services to another organisation on the basis of a contract.
in this context, it likely means someone who works for a private military company, often contracted by the US government to provide private security services. There are also terms security contractors or private military contractors.
They are often individual who are ex military, SF or close protection police.
in this context, it likely means someone who works for a private military company, often contracted by the US government to provide private security services. There are also terms security contractors or private military contractors.
They are often individual who are ex military, SF or close protection police.
Jan 7, 2020, 2:22 am
#32
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After the close call with SQ351, I think they better pay attention to world events.
Jan 7, 2020, 2:37 am
#33
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Looks like maybe they are avoiding it but also perhaps they don’t need to cross it anyway.
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flig...905Z/EGLL/WSSS
https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flig...905Z/EGLL/WSSS
I had looked (I am booked on BA11) and for the past week or so in FR24, they had not crossed Iran airspace. However as charleshona also pointed out, BA15 does? Guess a B777 takes a different route to an A380?
Jan 7, 2020, 2:44 am
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Maybe there's a range issue? That would be rather bad though. We can afford it with one type but not the other so let's fly straight...(in case it isn't clear, this is mostly sarcastic, but the question is there...)
Jan 7, 2020, 11:01 am
#35
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How is avoidance of airspace decided? I know there are NOTAMs that are graded red, amber or yellow but Iran is currently amber so it would seem strange that some airlines, and even different flights by the same airline, would act differently.
Jan 7, 2020, 11:49 am
#36
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I expect airlines make commercial decisions based on a formula of risk appetite, fuel cost, government advice, reports from pilots, etc. Perhaps the fuel burn or cruising altitude of an aircraft is a factor.
Jan 7, 2020, 11:58 am
#37
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No reason detailed reason was given, it was relayed to us as the instruction being to leave the airspace ASAP.
I'm off to Delhi, via Doha with QR in a few weeks so keeping half an eye on it.
Jan 7, 2020, 12:00 pm
#38
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My last flight back from HYD maybe 18 months ago now saw us turning back from Iranian airspace shortly after entering it and then routing round it, CSD spoke to everyone in Club as it meant we didn't have enough fuel to get back to LHR and would need to stop to fill up, in the end we stopped in Vienna.
No reason detailed reason was given, it was relayed to us as the instruction being to leave the airspace ASAP.
No reason detailed reason was given, it was relayed to us as the instruction being to leave the airspace ASAP.
Jan 7, 2020, 12:15 pm
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Jan 7, 2020, 12:34 pm
#40
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I think BA tends to be more cautious than some. For example, BA had avoided Ukraine airspace for a month before MH17, with a SQ close behind it. I guess they had learnt their lesson after BA149.
Jan 7, 2020, 12:35 pm
#41
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It is an individual or a company that provides goods of services to another organisation on the basis of a contract.
in this context, it likely means someone who works for a private military company, often contracted by the US government to provide private security services. There are also terms security contractors or private military contractors.
They are often individual who are ex military, SF or close protection police.
in this context, it likely means someone who works for a private military company, often contracted by the US government to provide private security services. There are also terms security contractors or private military contractors.
They are often individual who are ex military, SF or close protection police.
Last edited by ClubflyerLondon; Jan 7, 2020 at 12:37 pm Reason: additional info
Jan 7, 2020, 12:40 pm
#42
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Jan 7, 2020, 1:34 pm
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The flights to Hyderabad and Chennai flew almost directly over Tehran today, in fact not long ago.
Jan 7, 2020, 2:40 pm
#44
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The airlines can be told that flying too near certain areas of conflict may raise their premiums or even result (Ukraine) in cancellation of their insurance coverage.
This obviously influences operational patterns.
All he best.