Flying FIRST from LAX
Nov 19, 2019, 2:40 pm
#61
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 189
I understood exactly what you meant. Not pre-tipping, but rather letting them know you're going to tip. It's still 100% bizarre, IMHO.
Edit to add: Quite frankly, I think this behavior is demeaning to the server. How does this go down? You sit down, and say, "Hey, I just want you to know that I intend to tip big if you perform well?" It comes across as saying you have no faith in the server's ability to perform without the promise of a tip. If I were the server in question, I would be mildly offended. I'd consider how this approach comes across. I can imagine a lot of eye rolling and snarky laughs by the wait staff behind the scenes at this approach.
Edit to add: Quite frankly, I think this behavior is demeaning to the server. How does this go down? You sit down, and say, "Hey, I just want you to know that I intend to tip big if you perform well?" It comes across as saying you have no faith in the server's ability to perform without the promise of a tip. If I were the server in question, I would be mildly offended. I'd consider how this approach comes across. I can imagine a lot of eye rolling and snarky laughs by the wait staff behind the scenes at this approach.
Nov 19, 2019, 3:36 pm
#62
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
I understood exactly what you meant.
Edit to add: Quite frankly, I think this behavior is demeaning to the server. How does this go down? You sit down, and say, "Hey, I just want you to know that I intend to tip big if you perform well?" It comes across as saying you have no faith in the server's ability to perform without the promise of a tip. If I were the server in question, I would be mildly offended. I'd consider how this approach comes across. I can imagine a lot of eye rolling and snarky laughs by the wait staff behind the scenes at this approach.
Edit to add: Quite frankly, I think this behavior is demeaning to the server. How does this go down? You sit down, and say, "Hey, I just want you to know that I intend to tip big if you perform well?" It comes across as saying you have no faith in the server's ability to perform without the promise of a tip. If I were the server in question, I would be mildly offended. I'd consider how this approach comes across. I can imagine a lot of eye rolling and snarky laughs by the wait staff behind the scenes at this approach.
For those of you who understand what I’m saying, have fun.
Nov 19, 2019, 3:51 pm
#63
Suspended
Join Date: Sep 2019
Programs: AA: CK
Posts: 2,230
I'd love to see this approach in action. Do you also sit at casino tables and tell the dealer, "heads up, high roller here!"
Nov 20, 2019, 12:33 am
#67
FlyerTalk Evangelist, Ambassador, British Airways Executive Club
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Somewhere between 0 and 13,000 metres high
Programs: AF/KL Life Plat, BA GGL+GfL, ALL Plat, Hilton Diam, Marriott Gold, blablablah, etc
Posts: 30,531
and before you answer ‘oh but I always get great service, proof is in the pudding’, be assured that many of us get great service with entirely different approaches. And because of what you rightly say about most us waiters being tip dependent, as well as what you don’t say about them typically losing their jobs if a few customers complain about their service, whether they are good or bad tippers, all waiters have strong incentives to make us feel that we are the nicest and most wonderful customer in the world and that they treat us better than any other table in the room, regardless of whether that is what they feel or have a much less flattering opinion of us deep inside.
in any case, it seems to me that you have made your recommendation very clear and a number of others have made our objections to some or all of your approach equally transparent so I’m sure everyone can make up their own minds easily.
Last edited by orbitmic; Nov 20, 2019 at 1:13 am
Nov 20, 2019, 10:06 pm
#68
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Nov 21, 2019, 3:32 am
#69
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: West Sussex
Programs: BA Gold
Posts: 897
Well, imagine a BA F flyer arriving to the AA terminal from a US domestic flight. Now they could decide to stop in for some FFD, and then switch terminals, as they would in any case, to catch their BA F flight.
Maybe it was just easier for BA to negotiate access to all FFDs and make the experience more consistent for their F pax. As we have all noted, it has been confusing for awhile.
Maybe it was just easier for BA to negotiate access to all FFDs and make the experience more consistent for their F pax. As we have all noted, it has been confusing for awhile.
Nov 21, 2019, 9:25 am
#70
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: BHX
Programs: BA GGL CCR GfL, SQ Gold, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond, Marriott Plat, Cafe Nero Loyalty Card (7 Stamps)
Posts: 7,328
Nov 21, 2019, 9:39 am
#71
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: North Yorkshire, UK / Pasadena CA
Programs: BA Silver
Posts: 1,311
Nov 21, 2019, 10:09 am
#72
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Gatwick, UK
Programs: UA *G, BA Silver
Posts: 1,673
I am flying from LAX in BA F next Wednesday. I wasn't planning to visit FFD, but for the sake of this thread I shall and we'll see what happens. On the other hand, my experience is that a single instance is not a very reliable indicator of rules.
Nov 24, 2019, 3:10 pm
#73
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Nov 24, 2019, 3:27 pm
#74
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Seattle
Programs: AS MVP100K, Hilton Diamond, IHG Gold
Posts: 3,215
Cathay specifically has a written clause in the JFK information section around FFD access.
DFW and MIA have no such written clause anywhere I have been able to find, yet from travel blogs and multiple threads referenced below, it has been confirmed BA F passengers get access thus far only at DFW and MIA.
Miami Lounge confusion
DFW lounge status
This now makes both comments from the BA and AA team contradict not only one another but also the facts we have on the ground. So it really is not a simple answer for LAX, let alone the confirmed DFW and MIA access.
DFW and MIA have no such written clause anywhere I have been able to find, yet from travel blogs and multiple threads referenced below, it has been confirmed BA F passengers get access thus far only at DFW and MIA.
Miami Lounge confusion
DFW lounge status
This now makes both comments from the BA and AA team contradict not only one another but also the facts we have on the ground. So it really is not a simple answer for LAX, let alone the confirmed DFW and MIA access.
Nov 24, 2019, 9:29 pm
#75
Join Date: Jan 2017
Location: Denver
Programs: AS, AA, UA, Hilton, Marriott, Caesars DE
Posts: 2,070
The context of this thread and similarly my next statement
DFW and MIA have no such written clause anywhere I have been able to find, yet from travel blogs and multiple threads referenced below, it has been confirmed BA F passengers get access thus far only at DFW and MIA.