BA Pilot Strike - What does Balpa want?
Jul 24, 2019, 9:36 am
#61
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Jul 24, 2019, 9:39 am
#62
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Jul 24, 2019, 9:43 am
#63
Join Date: Dec 2018
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realiy?
Inflation is running at 1.8%
its more than our company is paying (3,1%) over the next two years and as I pay for my own flights, not, as many on here get, company paid, why should I support such massive pay increases which will inevitably hit my picket? Or the many armed service Personnell, or NHS and Local government workers?
perhaps they should tax businesses more for their company bought flights....lol
its more than our company is paying (3,1%) over the next two years and as I pay for my own flights, not, as many on here get, company paid, why should I support such massive pay increases which will inevitably hit my picket? Or the many armed service Personnell, or NHS and Local government workers?
perhaps they should tax businesses more for their company bought flights....lol
Yep, let's go and tax everything that doesn't suit one's own agenda. I don't think you should try and compare government employees (which all of the three listed are) and commercial pilots. Commercial pilots are in high demand, so they hold most of the cards.
Might be worth talking to your employer because if you only getting a 3.1% rase over the next two years, your real wages will be 0.5% lower in 2 years compared to now.
Jul 24, 2019, 9:44 am
#64
Join Date: Nov 2010
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Simply put,no. It would require every F/O who is suitable to be promoted. There is simply not enough simulator time or trainers available to achieve that in a short space of time.
Jul 24, 2019, 12:11 pm
#65
Join Date: Feb 2012
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I understand this to mean that you are not guaranteed, or even likely to pass, simply for how long you've been sitting in the right seat of an aircraft with a Chatham Dockyard tail.
I understand it to mean when you get to take the course, you pass if you demonstrate the skills and aptitudes of a commander - however long you've been a First Officer.
I understand it to mean when you get to take the course, you pass if you demonstrate the skills and aptitudes of a commander - however long you've been a First Officer.
Jul 24, 2019, 3:15 pm
#69
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: UK
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BALPA love their Seniority rules. It is a bit like the Craft TUs from the 1950s, or the ancient Scottish tradition of the "Turn list".
There is no objective reason for the Pilots turn list.
They just like it. The senior ones especially.
There is no objective reason for the Pilots turn list.
They just like it. The senior ones especially.
Jul 24, 2019, 4:35 pm
#70
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I understand this to mean that you are not guaranteed, or even likely to pass, simply for how long you've been sitting in the right seat of an aircraft with a Chatham Dockyard tail.
I understand it to mean when you get to take the course, you pass if you demonstrate the skills and aptitudes of a commander - however long you've been a First Officer.
I understand it to mean when you get to take the course, you pass if you demonstrate the skills and aptitudes of a commander - however long you've been a First Officer.
I know at least one BA SFO who has not intention of ever taking the course as he has much greater work roster choice at the top of the FO seniority than he would have as a junior Captain. He is presumably happy with pay differential.
Jul 24, 2019, 4:36 pm
#71
Join Date: Oct 2005
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An Australian would probably spit in your face for claiming that title for that mentally unstable Irishman’s fleet of puddle jumping 737s... and rightfully so.
Jul 24, 2019, 4:52 pm
#72
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: NT Australia
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Am I right in thinking that even if you don’t pass the course you still carry on going up the FO pay spines? Thus costing more money despite not being no more useful to the company.
I know at least one BA SFO who has not intention of ever taking the course as he has much greater work roster choice at the top of the FO seniority than he would have as a junior Captain. He is presumably happy with pay differential.
I don’t know that i’d say an FO that fails a command course is necessarily no more useful to the company either. Some people are perfectly adequate right hand seat occupants but not suited to command for a variety of reasons
Qantas, 100 years old, kept flying through WWII, flown every almost every plane made until the end of their lifespan, wide and narrow body fleet, short hual and long operations, several records for the world’s longest routes... never suffered a hull loss or fatal accident.
An Australian would probably spit in your face for claiming that title for that mentally unstable Irishman’s fleet of puddle jumping 737s... and rightfully so.
There’s plenty that have genuinely had no hull losses or fatalities but choose not to make anything of it, which I would suggest is wise
Jul 24, 2019, 5:07 pm
#73
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there are many reasons for this- we have a good friend who is a Jetstar 787 first officer (=SFO at BA) who has repeatedly declined offers of command course. His reason- basing (as he would have to move to Sydney as a junior captain). Granted BA doesn’t have that specific issue but there are plenty of people who do things that outwardly appear strange but actually have decent strategy behind it
I don’t know that i’d say an FO that fails a command course is necessarily no more useful to the company either. Some people are perfectly adequate right hand seat occupants but not suited to command for a variety of reasons
Qantas 1 (in Bangkok) WAS a hull loss. However the company paid an inordinate amount of money to have the plane fixed and returned to line in order to maintain the “no hull losses in the jet age” line
There’s plenty that have genuinely had no hull losses or fatalities but choose not to make anything of it, which I would suggest is wise
I don’t know that i’d say an FO that fails a command course is necessarily no more useful to the company either. Some people are perfectly adequate right hand seat occupants but not suited to command for a variety of reasons
Qantas 1 (in Bangkok) WAS a hull loss. However the company paid an inordinate amount of money to have the plane fixed and returned to line in order to maintain the “no hull losses in the jet age” line
There’s plenty that have genuinely had no hull losses or fatalities but choose not to make anything of it, which I would suggest is wise
I agree on QF1, totally should have been written off but guess both Airbus and Qantas didn't want that!
Jul 24, 2019, 5:08 pm
#74
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Yes, very true examples, What I was maybe getting at was that unlike a lot of professions, the usefulness of of the pilot to the company increases only at distinct steps (JFO-SFO-Cpt-Trg Cpt etc) whereas in a lot of professions the time served can make significant differences whilst nominally being at the same level in the company. I totally understand there needs to be a retention system but it is interesting that instead of a 'rate for the job' in BA there is a big difference based on time served. Note, I am not making any judgement here, just observations on some of the quirks of the system.
I agree on QF1, totally should have been written off but guess both Airbus and Qantas didn't want that!
I agree on QF1, totally should have been written off but guess both Airbus and Qantas didn't want that!
Jul 24, 2019, 5:10 pm
#75
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