British Airways safety
Jun 22, 2019, 7:21 am
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Jun 22, 2019, 7:37 am
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Jun 22, 2019, 8:22 am
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Unless the second person was a trained pilot, qualified on type and sat in the seat then two people on the flight deck does not reduce the risk of death by pilot suicide one iota.. The policies on mental health welfare are far more relevant. With all due respect the two person rule was a knee jerk reaction made by non pilots who completely failed to grasp the reality of the situation.
Jun 22, 2019, 8:28 am
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There is a tradeoff for everything. If one of the cabin crew is on the flight deck and one of the flight crew in the loo, this leaves only one crew member in the cabin. On the other hand, if there is a lock overide on the flight deck door, that puts cabin crew at risk of the use of force in a hijacking incident.
There are untold permutations and all carry some risk of something bad. The reality is that the risk is very low, although the consequences extremely bad.
There are untold permutations and all carry some risk of something bad. The reality is that the risk is very low, although the consequences extremely bad.
Jun 22, 2019, 8:32 am
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I do like two in the cockpit for other health reasons- I've seen someone who was reportedly totally asymptomatic drop dead from a brain aneurism about 5 meters away from me so as long as policy is for locked cockpit doors while a plane is in motion, I want a second person who can make it easy for the pilot in the loo to get back in a cockpit in the very very unlikely event that the person at the controls of the plane has a sudden catastrophic health event.
Jun 22, 2019, 12:29 pm
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Sorry but this is not the case, the second person opening the door would do nothing to mitigate the risk. By the time the door was opened a pilot could easily put the aircraft in an recoverable position. The 2 in the flight deck is window dressing to reassure people with no real understanding of aviation.
Jun 22, 2019, 4:34 pm
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You would not necessarily be safer with two people in the cockpit.
Although employers ‘appear’ understanding when (in this case a pilot) is under stress or suffering from mental health problems the reality is staff are still fearful of being labelled as difficult by coming forward when they need help.
Solving this conundrum would go a long way. Having said that I would not be worried about one pilot in a cockpit, the cab drive to the airport has almost wiped me out twice.
Although employers ‘appear’ understanding when (in this case a pilot) is under stress or suffering from mental health problems the reality is staff are still fearful of being labelled as difficult by coming forward when they need help.
Solving this conundrum would go a long way. Having said that I would not be worried about one pilot in a cockpit, the cab drive to the airport has almost wiped me out twice.
Jun 22, 2019, 4:47 pm
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I'm not an expert on mental health, but I think the purpose of the second person in the cockpit is simply for the presence of another human - they don't need to be a trained pilot, or need to be able to fight off a physical attack. As noted above, we don't know exactly what happened in the cockpit of most of these flights (apart from Germanwings), but it's easy to see that it requires a different mental state to turn around and attack your colleague than it does to calmly change an auto-pilot setting. Just having someone there to say "Think about the consequences of what you're doing" could be enough to change the intention of a suicidal depressive.
Just look at what seemingly "normal" people do in the privacy of their own home, versus what the same people do in front of others.
Jun 22, 2019, 5:48 pm
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Sorry but this is not the case, the second person opening the door would do nothing to mitigate the risk. By the time the door was opened a pilot could easily put the aircraft in an recoverable position. The 2 in the flight deck is window dressing to reassure people with no real understanding of aviation.
In response to the incident and the circumstances of Lubitz's involvement in it, aviation authorities in some countries (including Australia, Canada, Germany, and New Zealand) implemented new regulations that require two authorized personnel to be present in the cockpit of large passenger aircraft at all times.[4]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525
Jun 22, 2019, 7:41 pm
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Mr pants tells me Australia has dropped the rule and it’s now at company discretion. Apparently their were incidents of switches being knocked and the like which led them to believe it was overall a negative
Jun 23, 2019, 1:40 am
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If you think this policy makes BA unsafe enough that you don't want to fly them, then don't. If you think this policy has little or no bearing on safety, the use other safety factors to make an informed decision s to whether you want to fly them or not. This isn't rocket surgery or brain science.
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