Mar 19, 2019, 11:46 am
Last edit by: corporate-wage-slave
BA NEW CLUB SUITE, WILL I GET IT?
What with the arrival of BA's biggest change in business class for some decades, this thread is intended to ask the inevitable question that I am sure many will want to know the answer to, something along the lines of "I am travelling on XX Jan 2036 from Heathrow to Sydney, will I get the new business class seat?"
Please do ask if you are not sure if your flight will fly the seat or not, its safe to say the more info you provide the more accurate the answer will be.
Aircraft involved: A350-1000XWB (also known as A351 and A350-1000), B787-10 (also known as B781) and a limited number of B777-200ER (B772).
Planned flights with the new Club Suites (information as of 16 December 2019):
IN SERVICE
=========
MADRID ~ starting 06 AUGUST 2019
LHR > MAD ~ Flight no: BA464
MAD > LHR ~ Flight no: BA465
LHR > MAD ~ Flight no: BA456
MAD > LHR ~ Flight no: BA457
Note: this is far from guaranteed. On some days there may be an A350 or a B777, and the latter may or may not have CS. The service could also have a late switch to more convenional shorthaul equipment.
TORONTO YYZ ~ started 01 Oct. 2019
DUBAI DXB ~ started 02 Sep. 2019
Aircraft A351- BA109/BA108
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
FORTHCOMING
=============
ABU DHABI ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
ABUJA ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
ATLANTA ATL ~ starting Feb. 2020 (TBC)
Inaugural route for 787-10
AUSTIN AUS ~ starting 29 Mar. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft A351 -BA191/BA190
BAHRAIN BAH ~ starting Oct. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to Damman)
BANGALORE BLR ~ starting Jan. 2020
Aircraft B772 then A351 from 29 March.
BOSTON BOS ~ starting Apr. 2020
Aircraft 772 - BA215/BA214
DALLAS-FORT WORTH DFW ~ starting Apr. 2020
DAMMAN DMM ~ starting Oct. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Bahrain)
Aircraft 772
GRAND CAYMAN GCM ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Nassau service)
Aircraft 772
NASHVILLE BNA ~ starting 3 Sep. 2020 (TBC)
(limited dates only, also 11 June 2020)
Aircraft 781
NASSAU NAS ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Grand Cayman service)
Aircraft 772
NEWARK EWR ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
MOSCOW DME ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
PHILADELPHIA PHL ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 351 BA67/BA66
SEATTLE SEA ~ starting Sep. 2020
Aircraft 772
TEL AVIV TLV ~ starting Jan. 2020
Aircraft A351 BA167/BA166
TOKYO NRT ~ starting July 2020
Aircraft 351 - note, not all services
WASHINGTON IAD ~ starting 29 Mar. 2020
Aircraft A351
What with the arrival of BA's biggest change in business class for some decades, this thread is intended to ask the inevitable question that I am sure many will want to know the answer to, something along the lines of "I am travelling on XX Jan 2036 from Heathrow to Sydney, will I get the new business class seat?"
Please do ask if you are not sure if your flight will fly the seat or not, its safe to say the more info you provide the more accurate the answer will be.
Aircraft involved: A350-1000XWB (also known as A351 and A350-1000), B787-10 (also known as B781) and a limited number of B777-200ER (B772).
Planned flights with the new Club Suites (information as of 16 December 2019):
IN SERVICE
=========
MADRID ~ starting 06 AUGUST 2019
LHR > MAD ~ Flight no: BA464
MAD > LHR ~ Flight no: BA465
LHR > MAD ~ Flight no: BA456
MAD > LHR ~ Flight no: BA457
Note: this is far from guaranteed. On some days there may be an A350 or a B777, and the latter may or may not have CS. The service could also have a late switch to more convenional shorthaul equipment.
TORONTO YYZ ~ started 01 Oct. 2019
DUBAI DXB ~ started 02 Sep. 2019
Aircraft A351- BA109/BA108
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
FORTHCOMING
=============
ABU DHABI ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
ABUJA ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
ATLANTA ATL ~ starting Feb. 2020 (TBC)
Inaugural route for 787-10
AUSTIN AUS ~ starting 29 Mar. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft A351 -BA191/BA190
BAHRAIN BAH ~ starting Oct. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to Damman)
BANGALORE BLR ~ starting Jan. 2020
Aircraft B772 then A351 from 29 March.
BOSTON BOS ~ starting Apr. 2020
Aircraft 772 - BA215/BA214
DALLAS-FORT WORTH DFW ~ starting Apr. 2020
DAMMAN DMM ~ starting Oct. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Bahrain)
Aircraft 772
GRAND CAYMAN GCM ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Nassau service)
Aircraft 772
NASHVILLE BNA ~ starting 3 Sep. 2020 (TBC)
(limited dates only, also 11 June 2020)
Aircraft 781
NASSAU NAS ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
(continues to/from Grand Cayman service)
Aircraft 772
NEWARK EWR ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
MOSCOW DME ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 772
PHILADELPHIA PHL ~ starting Apr. 2020 (TBC)
Aircraft 351 BA67/BA66
SEATTLE SEA ~ starting Sep. 2020
Aircraft 772
TEL AVIV TLV ~ starting Jan. 2020
Aircraft A351 BA167/BA166
TOKYO NRT ~ starting July 2020
Aircraft 351 - note, not all services
WASHINGTON IAD ~ starting 29 Mar. 2020
Aircraft A351
FAQ : BA Club Suite tracker : (When) Will I get the new CS seat on my flight?
Feb 25, 2020, 3:42 am
#271
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Feb 25, 2020, 5:05 am
#272
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Am I correct in assuming that right now all of the seat maps for the winter timetable are just the old configurations and that we'll get more information on what's likely to be Club Suite when the clocks go forward? I'm doing an ORD run on a 777 in November and was just looking at the current seat maps for JFK in December, everything's currently the non-CS layout.
Feb 25, 2020, 5:15 am
#273
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I don't have any information on how BA plans to do this, but my guess is that this may happen during "schedule change season" when the northern winter 2020/21 schedules start to become firmer. That process may not start until late spring.
Feb 25, 2020, 5:46 am
#274
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Am I correct in assuming that right now all of the seat maps for the winter timetable are just the old configurations and that we'll get more information on what's likely to be Club Suite when the clocks go forward? I'm doing an ORD run on a 777 in November and was just looking at the current seat maps for JFK in December, everything's currently the non-CS layout.
Mar 2, 2020, 9:08 am
#275
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I am booking a flight yo New York in October.
The wiki says ...
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 – 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 – 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
Which I don't follow as the heading says started 9 Oct 2019, but then lists flights that dont commence until Aug 2020 at the earliest, and for example the BA175 is on some very specific dates only.
Can anyone clarify please.
The only way I can find to see if it is the new seat is to do a dummy booking, and proceed to seat selection. Is there a better way?
The other option is just go on AA - at least the seat is guaranteed!
Thank you
The wiki says ...
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 – 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 – 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 – 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
Which I don't follow as the heading says started 9 Oct 2019, but then lists flights that dont commence until Aug 2020 at the earliest, and for example the BA175 is on some very specific dates only.
Can anyone clarify please.
The only way I can find to see if it is the new seat is to do a dummy booking, and proceed to seat selection. Is there a better way?
The other option is just go on AA - at least the seat is guaranteed!
Thank you
Mar 2, 2020, 9:25 am
#276
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Posts: 11
I am booking a flight yo New York in October.
The wiki says ...
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
Which I don't follow as the heading says started 9 Oct 2019, but then lists flights that dont commence until Aug 2020 at the earliest, and for example the BA175 is on some very specific dates only.
Can anyone clarify please.
The only way I can find to see if it is the new seat is to do a dummy booking, and proceed to seat selection. Is there a better way?
The other option is just go on AA - at least the seat is guaranteed!
Thank you
The wiki says ...
(NEW YORK) JOHN F KENNEDY JFK ~ started 09 Oct. 2019
BA175/116 05SEP20 / 03OCT20 / 10OCT20 / 19OCT20 24OCT20
BA173/112 01AUG20 24OCT20
BA115/176 02SEP20 23OCT20 (Day x6)
BA113/114 16OCT20 / 17OCT20
Which I don't follow as the heading says started 9 Oct 2019, but then lists flights that dont commence until Aug 2020 at the earliest, and for example the BA175 is on some very specific dates only.
Can anyone clarify please.
The only way I can find to see if it is the new seat is to do a dummy booking, and proceed to seat selection. Is there a better way?
The other option is just go on AA - at least the seat is guaranteed!
Thank you
Thanks!
Mar 2, 2020, 11:35 am
#277
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Mar 2, 2020, 2:29 pm
#278
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Ah ok, how are you checking that, just using the seat map on BA? Im assuming if its showing forward facing only, 1-2-1 on a 777 then it should be CS?
Im on BA115 and BA176 in June and they both currently show as above, so really hoping so!
Im on BA115 and BA176 in June and they both currently show as above, so really hoping so!
Mar 2, 2020, 3:21 pm
#279
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Yes, thats correct - I checked on Expertflyer before confirming exactly what flights I want to be on
Apr 14, 2020, 5:55 am
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Looking at this thread just highlights how completely out the window this plan is now. Also the mammoth effort BA will have to take as restrictions start to lift in order to re-allocate aircraft to routes given the wildly different demand (cargo and passengers).
Apr 14, 2020, 10:23 am
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rb211.
Apr 19, 2020, 5:03 am
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My latest trip report detailing my experience flying BA's A350 Club Suite is now available here: The British Airways A350 Club Suite Experience
May 7, 2020, 10:31 am
#284
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I understand that BA have deferred some orders for new aircraft, but not seen anything about the Club Suite Rollout. You would have thought that this was a good time to accelerate the upgrade but I guess with social distancing this may not be possible. BA do have cash reserves but will they plead poverty and suspend they rollout, but you could also ask can they afford not to rollout given the fierce competition that there is likely to be for a smaller pool of business customers in the new world...
May 7, 2020, 10:59 am
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I would hazard a guess that BA management have looked or are looking at any and all costs.
If a cost is not essential or could impact the immediate future then it will be on hold whilst they ride out a lockdown.
I guess CS refurb is one of these costs, having said all that, there were aircraft going to Cardiff for their planned checks/refit as per the other thread so it maybe that the plan is still ongoing. Others may know more and probably a question for that thread.
It could also be that BA have already forked out for the refurbs and plans are cemented or cannot be changed due to supply chains etc. Therefore CS roll out could continue.
In essence...I have no idea
but its helped me kill 5 mins replying and its at least interesting to chat about.
If a cost is not essential or could impact the immediate future then it will be on hold whilst they ride out a lockdown.
I guess CS refurb is one of these costs, having said all that, there were aircraft going to Cardiff for their planned checks/refit as per the other thread so it maybe that the plan is still ongoing. Others may know more and probably a question for that thread.
It could also be that BA have already forked out for the refurbs and plans are cemented or cannot be changed due to supply chains etc. Therefore CS roll out could continue.
In essence...I have no idea
but its helped me kill 5 mins replying and its at least interesting to chat about.