Tools to plan itineraries
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Tools to plan itineraries
What, if any, online tools do y'all use to plan itineraries?
I'm currently trying to plan something along the lines of LHR-NCE-IBZ-MAD-LIS-OPO-LGW in August for 2 pax, where:
All the usual travel sites have a multi-city option, but they want specific dates for each segment, and then come up with a random mix of Ryanair and easyJet and no flexibility at all to refine before the algorithm gets confused and throws its toys out of the pram.
It's clear this needs to be booked in many separate bookings, which I don't mind. But I'm going mad trying to keep it all straight, and every travel site there is seems to prioritise sales conversion tactics over usability, so I have no place (that I know of) where I could plan and budget efficiently.
I'm currently trying to plan something along the lines of LHR-NCE-IBZ-MAD-LIS-OPO-LGW in August for 2 pax, where:
- LGW-NCE could be substituted for LHR-NCE, if more economical. No LCY-NCE though.
- LIS-OPO could also potentially be OPO-LIS, if more economical
- LIS-OPO (or OPO-LIS) would be a surface segment (hire car)
- LHR-NCE and OPO-LGW (or LIS-LHR) are BA J (either booked J, or Y + POUG if silly money)
- All other segments are IB Y (no I2 though, as keen to get Avios+TP)
All the usual travel sites have a multi-city option, but they want specific dates for each segment, and then come up with a random mix of Ryanair and easyJet and no flexibility at all to refine before the algorithm gets confused and throws its toys out of the pram.
It's clear this needs to be booked in many separate bookings, which I don't mind. But I'm going mad trying to keep it all straight, and every travel site there is seems to prioritise sales conversion tactics over usability, so I have no place (that I know of) where I could plan and budget efficiently.
- BA.com in my attempts doesn't want to sell any IB flights at all; they want to sell an LHR connection for all the internal segments
- Kayak has a "Watchlist" I can save to, but the second I start searching for the other segments, the previous ones are automatically deleted for my convenience
- Expedia allows you to "save for later", but since I'm searching for each flight separately, it creates a separate itinerary for each flight, and I can't find any way to merge them.
- TripIt would require a LOT of manual typing and fiddling.
Last edited by groenroos; Mar 13, 2019 at 4:07 pm
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If I want to look at lots of permutations and options, there is no substitute for doing the hard work myself. I doubt that any online tool is going to help you do what you want. Repeatedly trying different options on ITA may come close to this. But if you're doing stuff that requires separate tickets for certain bits of the trip, then I doubt that any online tool will do it.
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I actually asked a friend (phd in math/statistics) why there are no planning tools, how humans still work on schedules. He said that humans may not get the absolutely best option but they get pretty good options, just based on intuition. Computers just cannot do that at this point in time, not even close.
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What? Not even IBM Watson or Microsoft AI?
PS. I really am joking. As a postgraduate student of AI in the early 1990s I know most of the commercials and hype - with some notable exceptions - are BS.
PS. I really am joking. As a postgraduate student of AI in the early 1990s I know most of the commercials and hype - with some notable exceptions - are BS.
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Apparently MIT tried to do that, scheduling school busses. Seemed to work great, except for the fact computers don't know that parents have to work, and will not accept a change from 7 to 9am for the schoolbus.
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I actually asked a friend (phd in math/statistics) why there are no planning tools, how humans still work on schedules. He said that humans may not get the absolutely best option but they get pretty good options, just based on intuition. Computers just cannot do that at this point in time, not even close.
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ITA is the ITA Matrix by google.
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
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So ITAmatrix is a website/software that was bought by Google, and thus degraded. But it has more powerful search options and flags that one can use, if you search around there should be a primer on how to use it.
In terms of flights, I don't think there is a piece of software powerful enough to sum up flights, because you are thinking that flights are priced as a segment. But when you link segments together the price can change. For example, you want to buy A to B, B to C, and then C to D.
You can definitely buy them separately, as 3 distinct tickets, and just add up the cost, but often it would be cheaper if you do some combo. But the combo A to B and B to C may actually not be as cheap as buying the tickets separately. Or maybe A to B and C to D should be bought together, and B to C separately. As far as I know, there is nothing to do that.
Google flights is pretty powerful in letting you choose different flights, but I don't think it has enough functionality to do what I just described.
In terms of flights, I don't think there is a piece of software powerful enough to sum up flights, because you are thinking that flights are priced as a segment. But when you link segments together the price can change. For example, you want to buy A to B, B to C, and then C to D.
You can definitely buy them separately, as 3 distinct tickets, and just add up the cost, but often it would be cheaper if you do some combo. But the combo A to B and B to C may actually not be as cheap as buying the tickets separately. Or maybe A to B and C to D should be bought together, and B to C separately. As far as I know, there is nothing to do that.
Google flights is pretty powerful in letting you choose different flights, but I don't think it has enough functionality to do what I just described.
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ITA is the ITA Matrix by google.
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
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ITA is the ITA Matrix by google.
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
A more complex version of google flights!
https://matrix.itasoftware.com/
To the OP, Excel is your friend in situations like this!
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It's a long, long time since anyone called MS Excel cool but that's what I use. Dates down the first column, permutations of flights down as many columns as you need. You can see the shape of each combination and the total cost.
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I also use Excel for all my travel planning. I have a template. Well, I call it a template, it is actually a copy of the last trip but it means that all my trips are planned and documented the same way. It also means that at any time, either during the planning phase or during the trip itself, I have access to all the info about my train trips to/from the airport, parking, hotels, flights, seats, times, aircraft types, lounges etc... all on the one sheet.
There are trip planning products, such as TripIt, which I also use, but like the spreadsheet they only document what you have planned/booked.
I don't know of anything that can actually help with the scheduling and finding of flights other than ITA Matrix which is my "goto" place to find flights. Unfortunately Matrix does not have many of the Low-cost airlines such as Easyjet, Ryanair etc so it isn't the only solution.
There are trip planning products, such as TripIt, which I also use, but like the spreadsheet they only document what you have planned/booked.
I don't know of anything that can actually help with the scheduling and finding of flights other than ITA Matrix which is my "goto" place to find flights. Unfortunately Matrix does not have many of the Low-cost airlines such as Easyjet, Ryanair etc so it isn't the only solution.
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I didn’t say whether or not it existed before google but thanks for the insight that they brought the software. Albeit I’m not surprised by that.
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The options and filters that you have always been able to apply make it, to me, the most powerful GDS published pricing search engine that I've ever used. But even so, it's not perfect (and it never was), so use it as one tool out of many, and exercise some care in interpreting the results. There is no substitute for hard work.