simons1

As already stated above.....Google it and you can click through to read it.

simons1

Spot the sweeping generalisation based on no evidence at all.....

Sisyphus1carus

So now BA's First class can''t even be considered the best business class in the sky !!!

DYKWIA

BA doesn't even get a mention this year.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/bu...ines-revealed/

Hannibal Lecter

and several airlines did not participate, eg Lufthansa/Swiss, United, SAS, Air France to name a few

snuffi

BA may have the advantage of buying in bulk, but the ever increasing price of wine en primeur has to be hitting them and forcing them down the perceived quality chain. There are fewer and fewer wines to be found that have a decent price/quality ratio (especially in France which is what I have most experience of), but good wine merchants can still eke these growers and their wines out. Using a personal analagy, I have found over the last 20 years that my disposable income has in no way kept pace with the rising prices in France, particularly in Burgundy and Bordeaux. The wines from those regions that I can afford to buy now are a far cry from the wines that I used to buy. I use The Wine Society which I am sure will be familiar to many people here, and if you look back at the historic "Opening Offers" materials which they helpfully store online you end up just wistfully shaking your head at what has happened.. Supply and demand (and greed, particularly in Bourgogne) has forced me a long way down that scale. I find it hard to buy basic Bourgogne Rouge, let alone a village classification like Vosne Romanee, and as for the majority of the Premier Cru, well I can more of less forget it. It is a similar story in Bordeaux - I don't look at Lynch Bages and Leoville Barton much any more, I can't even get to the "seconds" like Pavillon!! That is not to say that you cannot today buy fantastic wine at a reasonable price, the Rhone for example remains pretty reasonable if you avoid the top of CdR and almost all of Hermitage, but for a passenger in F it is the "known" wines that they are expecting to see and I imagine that BA, and especially penny-pinching BA, have been hit in exactly the same way. I count myself lucky that I still regularly get to drink wine at home that I can no longer afford to buy, but I had a good strategy back in the day that I am reaping the rewards of now. Clearly those days are numbered, but for BA they ended quite some time ago and unless they are prepared to either spend more money or get a proper wine supplier (and then wait for while), then we can all get used to looking at the carte on flights and almost always being disappointed.

Hannibal Lecter

Simple sollution, BA should buy quality wine from other parts of the world than France.
Sure there will be some passengers who will want wine from some famous french region,
for them just buy the cheapest possible plonk it says Bordeaux on.

Kgmm77

....or realise that the world of quality wine producers is slightly larger than it was in the 17th century.

jk156

Agree

Recently had the pleasure of flying QF F SYD-LHR. Excellent wine list, all Australian (except Champagne) with some v interesting bottles, all retailing £20-£70 a bottle. All loaded in Sydney but no stock-outs after the first leg! Champagne was Heidsick Millesime Rare 2002, which is not well known and not a great label (they rotate this with more notable premium champagnes like Pol Roger Winston Churchill and Veuve Clicquot Grand Dame so there's an element of pot luck) but which was delicious, gets very well written up by critics, and retails £160-180 a bottle.

The economics of the Qantas F operation would seem like a fair comparison to BA... same number of seats, same practice of having F only on a subset of their LH route network, legacy carrier operating in a competitive global market rather than like one of the ME3...

Maybe BA is now subsidising this route for QF, though, as since the opening of the new Qantas SIN F lounge no F or OWE passenger on the BA11 or BA15 in their right mind would go to the BA lounge any more

Raffles

BA did participate - but failed to even get on the podium. And one category had 4 airlines sharing Bronze :-)

HIDDY

Suggests something fishy's going on....and I'm not talking about the flavour of the wine.

Ancient Observer

Lots of words in this thread.

Conclsuin - BA F Villa Maria is £7 in Tesco, £7.5 in Majestic and 6.5 Euros in Calais.

So Jancis was correct.

No Puligny Montrachet and no Lynch Bages in BA F anymore.

DeathSlam

JL still do Salon
SALON is BACK from Mar 1 2019!!!
It's very nice, but logistics (number of bottles loaded) prevent you drinking the price of your ticket.
However it did make me feel like I was travelling first class and I probably chose those flights in part to try that wine when it would have been much cheaper to just buy a bottle and fly J.
The BA F offering isn't really in the same place, so I can see why bean the counters (who look after my pension) decide top quality wines are not a value proposition for BA.

DYKWIA

Ah, so in 2018 it shows BA in a positive light, so that's all well and good.

In 2019, BA are nowhere to be seen, so something fishy must be going on.

That makes sense

brunos

I just had some back and forth to Asia in the past 3 months, on BA F and QR J. BA F red and white wines are significantly below what QR serves in J. Actually they are mediocre and would rate as J wines on other airlines.