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Sunday Times Piece - "Sorry, BA, but new blazers arenít enough"

Sunday Times Piece - "Sorry, BA, but new blazers arenít enough"

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Old Sep 30, 18, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by V10 View Post
People here aren't flying in the lower cabins, where the author of the original article mostly seems to be.

The 747 offers poor levels of comfort for those down the back for the reasons you rightly mention. I too want them gone as soon as possible.
Nothing to do with what cabin your are in. To repeat what I said, the 747s are old, loud, inefficient, have dry air, poor pressurisation, vibrations, the list goes on. All of that i completely irrespective of what class you are flying.

Arriving after a 10 hour trip in a 787 will have you in significantly better health than arriving after a 10 hour trip in a 747. It's as simple as that. The 747's, while romantic and old. Just aren't as good as modern planes.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 11:47 am
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Originally Posted by cupsandsaucers View Post
Nothing to do with what cabin your are in. To repeat what I said, the 747s are old, loud, inefficient, have dry air, poor pressurisation, vibrations, the list goes on. All of that i completely irrespective of what class you are flying.

Arriving after a 10 hour trip in a 787 will have you in significantly better health than arriving after a 10 hour trip in a 747. It's as simple as that. The 747's, while romantic and old. Just aren't as good as modern planes.
In exactly the same way as an E-Type is older, louder, less efficient, has worse air conditioning and more vibrations than an X-Type. However...
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Old Sep 30, 18, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by cupsandsaucers View Post
Nothing to do with what cabin your are in. To repeat what I said, the 747s are old, loud, inefficient, have dry air, poor pressurisation, vibrations, the list goes on. All of that i completely irrespective of what class you are flying.
The B747 is very quiet in the nose. You can talk across the aisle without needing to raise your voice at all. No issues with vibrations from what I recall. I always felt refreshed (in more ways than one) after a 747 flight.

How many times have you flown F on a 747?
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Old Sep 30, 18, 12:07 pm
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Just another persons opinion, some will agree with his views while others won't.....not any different from what you see posted on here every day so hardly news to us.
He's lucky though, at least he's getting paid to give his opinion.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 12:37 pm
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I think it is rather unfair to criticise someone for having a different opinion stating that not all people share the same opinion; indeed that was obvious and the reason why the individual replied to the OP. Not all people want to see the 747 go as quickly as possible just as not all people want to see them stay. YVMV, but friendly replies appreciated.

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Old Sep 30, 18, 12:45 pm
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Sorry to be a pain!

Where is the article in The Sunday Times I canít find it in the paper copy?
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Old Sep 30, 18, 12:54 pm
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Hi,

It is in the travel section ( page 2 I think)

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Old Sep 30, 18, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by binman View Post
New uniform = polishing a turd
slightly rude and derogatory?
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Old Sep 30, 18, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by nick585 View Post
slightly rude and derogatory?
I read it as BA doing something superficial and not addressing underlying issues, not a slur against employees.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by The _Banking_Scot View Post
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It is in the travel section ( page 2 I think)

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Thanks!

I would agree with a few points on this article

IT System - Yes it needs to be upgraded, How come Ryanairís, QR, EasyJetís are not getting compromised. These things happen and can be forgiven just as long as lessons are learned.

Free Food and Drink - I hate the BOB that BA have, itís stupid. For the price of a soft drink is it worth loosing passengers which you will if you donít have Status with BA. Plus I can take an educated guess more crisps, beer cans and soft drinks are being taken from the Lounges so BA in actual fact are loosing money.

Staff - All staff have been very friendly to me and very professional so disagree with this point. Maybe he was just unlucky.

Power - Yes WiFi, Power and USB would be great for Short Haul but not required. For long haul in Y I would be disappointed if there is no charging facilities.

Club World - The seats are OK but just OK. Nothing special, comfortable and you can sleep in them. Plus they have aisle access. Keep the direct Aisle access and Iím happy.

Clothing - Staff are well turned out in my opinion and I like the uniforms no need to change them in my opinion.

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Old Sep 30, 18, 2:32 pm
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Originally Posted by V10 View Post
People here aren't flying in the lower cabins, where the author of the original article mostly seems to be.

The 747 offers poor levels of comfort for those down the back for the reasons you rightly mention. I too want them gone as soon as possible.
I dunno (not an expert) but I've heard that 787's down the back are awful (9 across against a more comfortable 8) and the 777s are being densified at some point from 9 across to 10. Best was actually the 767, especially in WTP.

Obviously the 744 is still popular amongst those that can snag something upstairs or are in 1A/K. In these circumstances the 744 is still a good aircraft although I entirely agree that the air quality on the 787 is an improvement. Worst of the lot - 772.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 3:01 pm
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Originally Posted by tomparskate View Post

Free Food and Drink - I hate the BOB that BA have, it’s stupid. For the price of a soft drink is it worth loosing passengers which you will if you don’t have Status with BA. Plus I can take an educated guess more crisps, beer cans and soft drinks are being taken from the Lounges so BA in actual fact are loosing money.
It’s not going away (a few possible bones thrown at status-holders aside). BA management believes (correctly, based on the evidence of LCC growth) short haul economy is largely price driven. The price is set by the market leaders, neither of which is BA. Competing on price and still making a profit therefore requires cost takeout. This one is a no-brainer.

Only my educated guess too, but I’d find it pretty likely that BA is saving a lot more than it might lose in lounge pilfering, and maybe that cost is borne by outsourced lounge caterers. How long BA will persist with spinning the illusion that there is anything premium about its brand in ET is another matter, I continue to believe that a brand can’t sustain being pulled in opposite directions for too long.


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Club World - The seats are OK but just OK. Nothing special, comfortable and you can sleep in them. Plus they have aisle access. Keep the direct Aisle access and I’m happy.
Um, are you confused or did you just mean you only use the aisle-access seats? Lack of direct aisle access in most seats is CW’s most widely perceived problem.


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Old Sep 30, 18, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by Betteronacamel View Post
Obviously the 744 is still popular amongst those that can snag something upstairs or are in 1A/K. In these circumstances the 744 is still a good aircraft although I entirely agree that the air quality on the 787 is an improvement. Worst of the lot - 772.
Absolutely agree. Having done multiple long haul flights in all types the 777 is the one I avoid most due to air quality and lack of humidity. The 747 may be older but I get off feeling far fresher than I ever do on a 777. A newer aircraft is not always better, and the recent refurbishment of the super J 747s has helped to address some of the issues like poor IFE.

The 787 though as you say seems to be a step change for the better.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 3:11 pm
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Modern BA short haul services could have 10 toilets down the back, and all of us in the front half of ET would use the CE loos.
It is simply the BoB carts.
And when you reach my age, when you have to go, you have to go.
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Old Sep 30, 18, 3:15 pm
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Originally Posted by KARFA View Post
Absolutely agree. Having done multiple long haul flights in all types the 777 is the one I avoid most due to air quality and lack of humidity. The 747 may be older but I get off feeling far fresher than I ever do on a 777. A newer aircraft is not always better, and the recent refurbishment of the super J 747s has helped to address some of the issues like poor IFE.

The 787 though as you say seems to be a step change for the better.
Yes and I will pile in too. There is no question in my mind that the B787, A350 and A380 are game changers for me, and have probably pushed my retirement back several years. The difference they have, particularly in terms of frequent, repeated travel is amazing. My patience with 777s generally, and 777-200 in particular is now spent and I largely avoid them on BA, AA and any other airline unless it's a short flight. 777-300 aren't so bad but I still choose alternatives where I can. And I still get the occasional 757 and 767s, which aren't great either. So there is no inverted nostalgia on my part.

However the 747 in UD, particularly in BA's Super J format, remains an excellent product in my opinion and remains my first choice.
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