Uniform standards
Sep 13, 2018, 11:53 am
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Sep 13, 2018, 12:54 pm
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Ive got a slip on loafer from this lot. Very comfy. This brogue looks decent if you are on your feet all day. Image added now I'm at a proper computer and not phone!
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Sep 13, 2018, 1:40 pm
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Sep 13, 2018, 4:24 pm
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That's a camellia not a ''bush''. Wrong time of year here for pruning as they are currently in flower. Anyway....that's the wife's department.
As for the cabin crew with the shirt tail sticking out....is that not the fashion nowadays? Most women I see seem to do it. Or is that only those with big bums?
As for the cabin crew with the shirt tail sticking out....is that not the fashion nowadays? Most women I see seem to do it. Or is that only those with big bums?
Sep 13, 2018, 8:25 pm
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Had a flight CPH–OSL on SAS last December and this was the captain's attire:
I could not believe my eyes and to me it just sent a message of SAS being a much less professional airline than BA. Yes, I am sure the captain was just as competent than any BA pilot, but these things do matter, at least to me.
On top of that, I found it strange that the cockpit door was kept open during pushback and part of the taxi. Not to mention the fact that if you think CE is bad, you have clearly not tried SAS Plus…
I could not believe my eyes and to me it just sent a message of SAS being a much less professional airline than BA. Yes, I am sure the captain was just as competent than any BA pilot, but these things do matter, at least to me.
On top of that, I found it strange that the cockpit door was kept open during pushback and part of the taxi. Not to mention the fact that if you think CE is bad, you have clearly not tried SAS Plus…
In my day if you could not wear your correct uniform, or have your appearance impeccable as laid down you did not work, and would maybe (likely) face a disciplinary.
If you had health issues and say could not wear correct uniform footwear as Operating Crew (whether be it in the air, or on the ground) then you may be sent home as sick, or possibly offered a job away from public eye,and if formally discussed, and agreed with your LM.
Uniform standards were everything and most aircrew wore theirs with pride. I know I did.
Re this photo of a CC in trainers in public view - well no doubt by now this is all around the crew room and Managers by now!
Frankly, it beggars belief to me that BA would, even with health issues allow the uniform in public to worn with these trainers - Anyone know more?
If I was a senior manager in the terminal I would be mortified as to what is going on here....
If you had health issues and say could not wear correct uniform footwear as Operating Crew (whether be it in the air, or on the ground) then you may be sent home as sick, or possibly offered a job away from public eye,and if formally discussed, and agreed with your LM.
Uniform standards were everything and most aircrew wore theirs with pride. I know I did.
Re this photo of a CC in trainers in public view - well no doubt by now this is all around the crew room and Managers by now!
Frankly, it beggars belief to me that BA would, even with health issues allow the uniform in public to worn with these trainers - Anyone know more?
If I was a senior manager in the terminal I would be mortified as to what is going on here....
As mentioned in other posts times have changed, as have the laws, so if someone can be accommodated with a medical issue by wearing trainers than this will be accepted. In a past life I was a navigating officer on large cruise ships where uniform was strictly adhered to, however comfortable footwear was encouraged (plain black or white trainers were encouraged and absolutely acceptable). Very few of us wore shiny polished oxfords.
Sep 13, 2018, 11:12 pm
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In many ways times have changed...
Companies no longer focuses on making employees feel part of something and proud to wear uniforms, employees no longer return that sentiment, the cheapness and relentless focus on bottom line has filtered down to uniform and appearance, we’re so politically correct that looking presentable comes second to issues of sexism, gender policy and disability discrimination, camera phone ubiquity and twitter means frankly people behave like school children and run to the internet to tattle on strangers...
In some ways they haven’t...
That downstairs/upstairs culture of things like how the service people should be dressed, act or address their betters remains and the need to ‘put them in their place’ if they transgress, remains. All be it in a different form.
Companies no longer focuses on making employees feel part of something and proud to wear uniforms, employees no longer return that sentiment, the cheapness and relentless focus on bottom line has filtered down to uniform and appearance, we’re so politically correct that looking presentable comes second to issues of sexism, gender policy and disability discrimination, camera phone ubiquity and twitter means frankly people behave like school children and run to the internet to tattle on strangers...
In some ways they haven’t...
That downstairs/upstairs culture of things like how the service people should be dressed, act or address their betters remains and the need to ‘put them in their place’ if they transgress, remains. All be it in a different form.
Sep 13, 2018, 11:32 pm
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Also all comfort, marketing/branding, employee relations, political correctness, social issues aside.
Command presence, it’s often quoted the crew are there for #1 safety. There’s a reason law enforcement and all people employeed in the field of public safety are supposed to look squared away.
In an emergency, panicked irrational people are more likely to follow orders and direction of a height-weight proportionate, suited, pressed, polished, neatly groomed individual than a scruffy, wrinkled, ill-fitting, trainer wearing, needs a haircut one.
Command presence, it’s often quoted the crew are there for #1 safety. There’s a reason law enforcement and all people employeed in the field of public safety are supposed to look squared away.
In an emergency, panicked irrational people are more likely to follow orders and direction of a height-weight proportionate, suited, pressed, polished, neatly groomed individual than a scruffy, wrinkled, ill-fitting, trainer wearing, needs a haircut one.
Sep 13, 2018, 11:52 pm
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I thought scruffy and wrinkled was a fitting description of some cabin interiors today?
Sep 14, 2018, 12:04 am
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Sep 14, 2018, 4:30 am
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In many ways times have changed...
Companies no longer focuses on making employees feel part of something and proud to wear uniforms, employees no longer return that sentiment, the cheapness and relentless focus on bottom line has filtered down to uniform and appearance, we’re so politically correct that looking presentable comes second to issues of sexism, gender policy and disability discrimination, camera phone ubiquity and twitter means frankly people behave like school children and run to the internet to tattle on strangers...
In some ways they haven’t...
That downstairs/upstairs culture of things like how the service people should be dressed, act or address their betters remains and the need to ‘put them in their place’ if they transgress, remains. All be it in a different form.
Companies no longer focuses on making employees feel part of something and proud to wear uniforms, employees no longer return that sentiment, the cheapness and relentless focus on bottom line has filtered down to uniform and appearance, we’re so politically correct that looking presentable comes second to issues of sexism, gender policy and disability discrimination, camera phone ubiquity and twitter means frankly people behave like school children and run to the internet to tattle on strangers...
In some ways they haven’t...
That downstairs/upstairs culture of things like how the service people should be dressed, act or address their betters remains and the need to ‘put them in their place’ if they transgress, remains. All be it in a different form.
If I get into the Peninsula Hong Kong for a very expensive lunch, I expect everyone to be properly appointed and well dressed. My expectations are different if I enter an unbranded hotel. I both cases, I indeed treat everyone with the same respect.
And to be frank, you don’t need to spend hundreds to dress properly. If you do not respect yourself with a decent attire, how to you expect others to respect you?