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Originally Posted by florens
(Post 29646660)
Oh, Canarsie! Did it in the sim last year. Challenging! https://i.imgur.com/vxAEUtL.jpg
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 29646792)
i didnt think that’s a back up. As it’s a visual approach I would have thought it would be less likely to be used for poor weather? The 13 runways are in use because the wind is coming from the south east.
I only ever see this long approach onto 13L when the winds are rough and gusty or the weather is generally dire. The Canarsie approach from above is the typical way onto 13L. |
Originally Posted by UKtravelbear
(Post 29647057)
I priced up a trip for Sept 27th return Oct 3rd Club to JFK
LGW- £ 2737 LHR - £ 2739 LCY - £ 2739 I don't regard a £2 'saving' for an inferior product as good value! If BA want me to fly the route it needs to offer a bigger discount that that! |
Ex-JER to JFK seems to have dried up in WT & WTP, (my budget doesn’t stretch to J or F fares) there was a long period when these cheaper fares existed but they seem to have shifted to ex-INV. Clearly INV doesn’t work for the LGW - JFK route.
What happened to these cheaper ex-JER fares? |
Originally Posted by Fraser
(Post 29647114)
There are two different approaches onto 13L, one which has you hugging the Belt Parkway and Jamaica Bay, you are almost turning right up until you land (see below), the other which is in use today where you fly up the harbour and make the turn so you are dead on into 13L from way out in Brooklyn. The one you are thinking of is the Canarsie approach, named after the Queens neighbourhood that the approaches touch.
Indeed, I think it was being used because of the winds. Very gusty here and I guess allows you to be more lined up with the runway from a ways out rather than fighting the winds whilst making a sharp descending turn. I only ever see this long approach onto 13L when the winds are rough and gusty or the weather is generally dire. The Canarsie approach from above is the typical way onto 13L. Chart: http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1804/00...AY_VIS13LR.PDF https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...25a1629ba7.png |
Originally Posted by Fraser
(Post 29647114)
the other which is in use today where you fly up the harbour and make the turn so you are dead on into 13L from way out in Brooklyn. .
https://uk.flightaware.com/resources...L+(CAT+II)/pdf which sets you up to intercept an ILS from 4-5 nm out. Here's a morning flight which took used this approach: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...a1443#110ec365 Compare the "Canarsie" approach, documented as "Parkway Visual Runway 13L/R": https://uk.flightaware.com/resources...SUAL+RWY+13L_R The last turn on the Canarsie approach for 13L is very close to the runway, I definitely feel you need to have a full set of visual references and not too bad wind to remain stable when doing that. |
Originally Posted by rockflyertalk
(Post 29647286)
Ex-JER to JFK seems to have dried up in WT & WTP, (my budget doesn’t stretch to J or F fares) there was a long period when these cheaper fares existed but they seem to have shifted to ex-INV. Clearly INV doesn’t work for the LGW - JFK route.
What happened to these cheaper ex-JER fares? |
Originally Posted by KARFA
(Post 29646792)
i didnt think that’s a back up. As it’s a visual approach I would have thought it would be less likely to be used for poor weather? The 13 runways are in use because the wind is coming from the south east.
JFK seems to have had a few days of poor weather. This was the queue to get out last night! https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f29e17507.jpeg I hate reposting of pictures but this one is worthwhile. Maybe someone has exact figures, but that looks like a 90-minute taxi. Another reason to avoid JFK. Unfortunately I've experienced similar. One on AA, JFK-CDG, where the crew mentioned it later, in a nice way. Sometimes it's nice to know others are feeling it too. NB NB if you're in this situation, never look at your watch :) It's the time to balance your cheque book or something equally boring. |
I was listening to Liveatc earlier today, and it was definitely the 13L ILS being used. Maybe they used the Canarsie (13L VOR approach) later in the day.
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Originally Posted by corporate-wage-slave
(Post 29646789)
Finally if a flight is cancelled you can alternatively ask for the compensation and a full refund - which may allow you to rebook on to Norwegian or something
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Originally Posted by MarkFlies
(Post 29648159)
I hate reposting of pictures but this one is worthwhile. Maybe someone has exact figures, but that looks like a 90-minute taxi. Another reason to avoid JFK. |
Thanks for the welcome, I've been a long time stalker and felt i should get involved.
Flight+Hotel from LGW to JFK in business for a week is approx 1500 each (going as couple) in August. Flight alone is more than that and it actually costs alot more EX-JER which works for me this time as we will be in London for a few days after the NY trip. My main concern is around cancellation and possibly losing a day. |
Originally Posted by etiene
(Post 29649802)
Luckily got out without the traffic on Friday, but out of curiousity: would a 90-min taxi count as extraordinary circumstances for EU261 (assuming a missed connection makes the final delay >4hrs)? The only way I think you could construct an argument is if something in BA control (like a tech issue) caused a delayed departure from the stand, and then the slot to be missed and the long taxi was a direct result. Even so it would be hard as BA would undoubtedly fob you off. |
Originally Posted by simons1
(Post 29649922)
I would have said so. I don't think that is really within BA control. The only way I think you could construct an argument is if something in BA control (like a tech issue) caused a delayed departure from the stand, and then the slot to be missed and the long taxi was a direct result. Even so it would be hard as BA would undoubtedly fob you off. |
Originally Posted by sammyg901
(Post 29648519)
Check out the performance of the morning Norwegian JFK flight last few weeks... makes Southern trains look like a beacon of reliability ! At least BA have a pretty reasonable backup plan getting you across to Heathrow
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I thought BA did an OK job most seemed to be booked on the 1950 LHR - Though some were put on the 8am the following day.
Just frustrating that this is an oft cancelled service - the guys at LGW admitted that its often the one to get cancelled if there are other fleet issues earlier in the day ( I guess the Caribbean) |
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