LGW-JFK Cancelled again.....
 

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Taxi to LHR and then onto BA/AA to JFK ?

its poor but from the BA perspective it must be one of the easiest routes in the network to be forced to cancel and have the ability to shuttle passengers via heathrow to the correct end destination still.

Mot saying it’s good. It if you have a tech aircraft at Crowley international this route stands out as the obvious one to scrub and reaccomadate people

With only one flight out of LGW, what happens when they cancel it? Shipped to LHR? This weekend I've been looking over flights to NY for August as Flight + Hotel are quite reasonable at the moment.

That's a pain!

When you say 'again,' has this happened to you before? or has it happened a lot recently?

They're probably doing you a favour. Weather here at JFK is atrocious...they're using the backup approach onto 13L that takes you up the harbour at low altitude and then turns over lower Manhattan.

Best approach into JFK - get a window seat :)

Indeed I've noticed that LGW - JFK is often very good value compared to LHR with add-ons such as hotel or car hire, plus those few "via LGW" routes with through pricing such as JER. But note that there is now quite a quality chasm between the LHR and LGW service at CW level (and to some extent in WTP and WT) in that LHR-JFK gets the premium catering, bedding and usually the Panasonic IFE services. Still, the LGW lounges are good, it's easy and quick to get around LGW, everyone including security is quite friendly and it's a fairly short service so IFE may not be such a factor for some travellers. I guess you book it on a value for money basis, but always keeping in mind that with a particularly constrained fleet at LGW that this and the FLL and OAK services are generally the first to fall off the schedule.

If there is plenty of availability from LHR they will invite people to take the National Express to T5 (or sometimes AA from T3) to get replacement services, occasionally they will use taxis if time is of the essence (typically if the passenger has a connecting flight from JFK). If not they will book passengers into the Hilton built into LGW South and rebook to the next day. I'm aware of people being given the choice, though this may have been due to mobility factors. EC261 Article 7 compensation may well be payable - not in all cases - so at WT fare levels you may even make a bit of a profit on it. Finally if a flight is cancelled you can alternatively ask for the compensation and a full refund - which may allow you to rebook on to Norwegian or something (BA will never rebook on to that airline, but will rebook on AA or IB).

Welcome to Flyertalk Dougy_D, welcome to the BA forum, it's good to see you here and I hope we will see more of you in the future.

i didnt think that’s a back up. As it’s a visual approach I would have thought it would be less likely to be used for poor weather? The 13 runways are in use because the wind is coming from the south east.

JFK seems to have had a few days of poor weather. This was the queue to get out last night!

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f29e17507.jpeg[left]

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I priced up a trip for Sept 27th return Oct 3rd Club to JFK

LGW- £ 2737
LHR - £ 2739
LCY - £ 2739

I don't regard a £2 'saving' for an inferior product as good value! If BA want me to fly the route it needs to offer a bigger discount that that!

Makes me nervous for my upcoming YYZ-LGW booking! In this instance it was both handier for me to fly to LGW and also I got a bargain upgrade offer from PY - for less than 200GBP.

Bugger. Hadn’t realised it didn’t have the decent bedding yet - booked it for an ex-EU where I wanted to drop my bags off in London before completing the trip HBO. (GOT for an easy turnaround, but doesn’t work if I have a checked bag)

There are two different approaches onto 13L, one which has you hugging the Belt Parkway and Jamaica Bay, you are almost turning right up until you land (see below), the other which is in use today where you fly up the harbour and make the turn so you are dead on into 13L from way out in Brooklyn. The one you are thinking of is the Canarsie approach, named after the Queens neighbourhood that the approaches touch.

https://i.imgur.com/vxAEUtL.jpg

Indeed, I think it was being used because of the winds. Very gusty here and I guess allows you to be more lined up with the runway from a ways out rather than fighting the winds whilst making a sharp descending turn.

I only ever see this long approach onto 13L when the winds are rough and gusty or the weather is generally dire. The Canarsie approach from above is the typical way onto 13L.

Yes, this is a core fare you're looking at and these are standardised for LON, the reason for the £2 reduction is that LGW's own airport charge is slightly lower than LHR. But do something like a hotel or some other add-on, or start from JER and differences will creep in. More importantly LGW will hang on to I class fare availability for typically longer than LHR.

Ex-JER to JFK seems to have dried up in WT & WTP, (my budget doesn’t stretch to J or F fares) there was a long period when these cheaper fares existed but they seem to have shifted to ex-INV. Clearly INV doesn’t work for the LGW - JFK route.

What happened to these cheaper ex-JER fares?

I think it's this one:

https://uk.flightaware.com/resources...L+(CAT+II)/pdf

which sets you up to intercept an ILS from 4-5 nm out. Here's a morning flight which took used this approach: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...a1443#110ec365

Compare the "Canarsie" approach, documented as "Parkway Visual Runway 13L/R": https://uk.flightaware.com/resources...SUAL+RWY+13L_R

The last turn on the Canarsie approach for 13L is very close to the runway, I definitely feel you need to have a full set of visual references and not too bad wind to remain stable when doing that.

I was listening to Liveatc earlier today, and it was definitely the 13L ILS being used. Maybe they used the Canarsie (13L VOR approach) later in the day.

Check out the performance of the morning Norwegian JFK flight last few weeks... makes Southern trains look like a beacon of reliability ! At least BA have a pretty reasonable backup plan getting you across to Heathrow

Thanks for the welcome, I've been a long time stalker and felt i should get involved.

Flight+Hotel from LGW to JFK in business for a week is approx 1500 each (going as couple) in August. Flight alone is more than that and it actually costs alot more EX-JER which works for me this time as we will be in London for a few days after the NY trip. My main concern is around cancellation and possibly losing a day.

It wouldn't be a 'fob off' - an airline is not responsible for such delays and therefore EC261 compensation is not due.

I thought BA did an OK job most seemed to be booked on the 1950 LHR - Though some were put on the 8am the following day.
Just frustrating that this is an oft cancelled service - the guys at LGW admitted that its often the one to get cancelled if there are other fleet issues earlier in the day ( I guess the Caribbean)

Again today
 

We were meant to be on the inbound JFK-LGW on the 16th. Fortunately we got 10hrs notice and were able to select BA172 to LHR an hour earlier.

Our outbound had been LGW-MCO so I hastily booked JFK-LGW and then immediately regretted it (older planes, LGW further from home and we wouldn’t be taking our car). So ironically the cancellationwas actually a welcome improvement for us.

Not only that - we got G-VIIO on the MCO leg so didn’t have to suffer an end-of-life cabin either way.

This is very normal for JFK in the early evening when the European flights start to leave. I use JFK a decent amount and AA definitely pad their schedules well to account for it, BA slightly less so, IMO.

A couple of years ago I flew B6 on a Friday evening and we taxied for 2.5hrs...I often fly JFK-CLT on AA and flights are often scheduled for 3hrs+ when it's not much more than half that in the air.

Agreed.

I talked to a few fellow PAX and most people thought BA did a good job.

The fact that the 183 (1950) must have been reasonably lightly loaded to start with must have helped.

I was seated on the UD and there were at least 5 or 6 Gatwick "refugees" up there too...

From EF

Comments:
DOBA2273/18APR
* OPERATIONAL FLIGHT INFO * BA2273 0 WE 18APR18
CITY INFO HOUR (LOCAL)

FLIGHT CANCELLED 1533
TECH
*1A PLANNED FLIGHT INFO* BA2273 0 WE 18APR18
APT ARR DY DEP DY CLASS/MEAL EQP GRND EFT TTL
LGW 1635 WE JCDRIWETYBH/M 777 8:00
KMLVSNQOG/M
JFK 1935 WE 8:00
COMMENTS-
1.LGW JFK - MEMBER OF ONEWORLD
2.LGW JFK - DEPARTS TERMINAL S
3.LGW JFK - ARRIVES TERMINAL 7
KMLVSNQOG/M
4.LGW JFK - 9/ NON-SMOKING
5.LGW JFK - SECURED FLIGHT
6.LGW JFK - ET/ ELECTRONIC TKT CANDIDATE
7.LGW JFK - DEPARTS GATWICK SOUTH TERMINAL FROM 11JAN17
8.LGW JFK - CO2/PAX* 291.40 KG ECO, 582.80 KG PRE
(*):SOURCE:ICAO CARBON EMISSIONS CALCULATOR
CONFIGURATION-
777 J 40 W 24 M 216
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