Changing a nappy in the lounge
Apr 17, 2018, 3:22 pm
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Apr 17, 2018, 3:36 pm
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I'm not saying it's "acceptable" (I clearly say the exact opposite). And those were presented at mitigating factors, not a full "excuse".My point was just that the disgusted outrage on view here is a little over-cooked...if it was a wet (not dirty) nappy, then frankly the 30% of people who I see not washing their hands in the lounge loos are far more disgusting / prejudicial to their fellow passengers' health than this.Calm down dears, it's only a wet nappy...
My response was "Oh, now I understand why Brits don't shake hands so much."
That got me a sneer.
Apr 17, 2018, 10:04 pm
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Apr 18, 2018, 9:14 am
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I think it depends if it's a number one or a number two.
A number one can be changed in next to no time and there's not really any associated odours to offend.
The other number though should be done in the baby change facilities if possible.
A number one can be changed in next to no time and there's not really any associated odours to offend.
The other number though should be done in the baby change facilities if possible.
Apr 18, 2018, 9:57 am
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There's a rather large spectrum from changing a nappy to 'any kind of behaviour' but we seem to live in an age where people have rather undeveloped critical thinking skills and ability to see nuance given the chance for a bit of outrage at something they don't even know the details of.
Apr 18, 2018, 10:26 am
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95 posts about a nappy change?
It's not as though BA charged for the nappy change.
I await the new notice in Lounges. "Baby changes in the washrooms - USD2. Baby changes in the drinking/dining area - USD 10. You must make appointments for all Baby changes"
It's not as though BA charged for the nappy change.
I await the new notice in Lounges. "Baby changes in the washrooms - USD2. Baby changes in the drinking/dining area - USD 10. You must make appointments for all Baby changes"
Apr 18, 2018, 10:56 am
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Apr 18, 2018, 11:58 pm
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No, because that is something completely different that you have for some reason invented just so you can get outraged. The only excessive emotional sensibilities I see are your own. Perhaps I'm being unfair, maybe you do consider your own toilet habits comparable to a baby, I'm not one to judge.
There's a rather large spectrum from changing a nappy to 'any kind of behaviour' but we seem to live in an age where people have rather undeveloped critical thinking skills and ability to see nuance given the chance for a bit of outrage at something they don't even know the details of.
There's a rather large spectrum from changing a nappy to 'any kind of behaviour' but we seem to live in an age where people have rather undeveloped critical thinking skills and ability to see nuance given the chance for a bit of outrage at something they don't even know the details of.
So as I can see the only difference between the inconsiderate PERSON changing a baby on soft furnishing in a lounge and for me to take such a liberty because I was too lazy or felt I had a valid excuse that made going to the facilities inconvenient.... is volume.
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Apr 19, 2018, 12:10 am
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These type of behaviors are okay or they not... there’s no grey area.
Its like throwing some litter and saying it’s okay because it’s just one, little, inoffensive piece and the bin is far away, but obviously you shouldn’t through a trash bag of rubbish on the ground. Because It’s wrong when someone does that.
When one person does such a thing YES it makes very little noticeable difference... but if everyone did as that person did the furnishings would very quickly become offensive and disgusting.
Its like throwing some litter and saying it’s okay because it’s just one, little, inoffensive piece and the bin is far away, but obviously you shouldn’t through a trash bag of rubbish on the ground. Because It’s wrong when someone does that.
When one person does such a thing YES it makes very little noticeable difference... but if everyone did as that person did the furnishings would very quickly become offensive and disgusting.
Apr 19, 2018, 12:22 am
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By the time you've stood up, walked to the front desk and reported it, agent stands up the whole process would have been over.
If you travel to Heathrow via HEX, go into T5, visit a lounge and fly on a BA plane then nappy changing "hygiene" will be the least of your worries
If you travel to Heathrow via HEX, go into T5, visit a lounge and fly on a BA plane then nappy changing "hygiene" will be the least of your worries
Apr 19, 2018, 1:09 am
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Well babies are not altogether unknown to go for a second round of urination while being changed... Urine being inoffensive apparently as long it’s quick and discrete according to defenders of this action.
So as I can see the only difference between the inconsiderate PERSON changing a baby on soft furnishing in a lounge and for me to take such a liberty because I was too lazy or felt I had a valid excuse that made going to the facilities inconvenient.... is volume.
The clean nappy can be in place of the old nappy to block any potential 'new' numero uno.
Apr 19, 2018, 1:23 am
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Indeed. I still can't understand why anyone thinks that changing a nappy in a public lounge is in any way acceptable when there are facilities provided for that exact purpose.
Apr 19, 2018, 1:53 am
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Chipping in as a new father who has availed of the BA paternity benefit and the associated facilities (the T5 baby changing room):
If it's not acceptable to restrict mothers to breastfeeding in the toilet (and I think it isn't), it is also not quite right for parents to be doing toilety things with their baby in a place where others are eating. Especially if there is an unoccupied baby changing room very close by. There is a place for everything and baby changing rooms are there for a reason.
That said - I can sympathise with the mother in OP's post, perhaps there are genuine reasons and maybe that flying with babies is just generally stressful and some slack could be cut.
I don't think reporting the “perpetrator” and reprimanding them / getting lounge staff to reprimand is necessarily going to make the situation better for everyone. It depends on the BA lounge staff responding sensitively and perhaps trying to offer help in a way that doesn't seem judgmental.
All IMHO and I'm making a lot of assumptions, generally I wouldn't change a baby in the lounge myself and seeing it happen would raise eyebrows for me, but needs must. And I think this is something one wouldn't really truly understand until one had children.
Finally, and to bring this vaguely back on topic, what puzzles me a bit more is that the T5 Galleries baby facilities are actually not bad at all - private, relatively spacious for one family, comfy seat for adult, easy access to fresh water, soap, tissue and bin. OK the ventilation could be better. But we've seen a lot worse (e.g. Westfield Stratford communal facilities being the worst - hot, stuffy and smelly and full of stressed babies and parents)
If it's not acceptable to restrict mothers to breastfeeding in the toilet (and I think it isn't), it is also not quite right for parents to be doing toilety things with their baby in a place where others are eating. Especially if there is an unoccupied baby changing room very close by. There is a place for everything and baby changing rooms are there for a reason.
That said - I can sympathise with the mother in OP's post, perhaps there are genuine reasons and maybe that flying with babies is just generally stressful and some slack could be cut.
I don't think reporting the “perpetrator” and reprimanding them / getting lounge staff to reprimand is necessarily going to make the situation better for everyone. It depends on the BA lounge staff responding sensitively and perhaps trying to offer help in a way that doesn't seem judgmental.
All IMHO and I'm making a lot of assumptions, generally I wouldn't change a baby in the lounge myself and seeing it happen would raise eyebrows for me, but needs must. And I think this is something one wouldn't really truly understand until one had children.
Finally, and to bring this vaguely back on topic, what puzzles me a bit more is that the T5 Galleries baby facilities are actually not bad at all - private, relatively spacious for one family, comfy seat for adult, easy access to fresh water, soap, tissue and bin. OK the ventilation could be better. But we've seen a lot worse (e.g. Westfield Stratford communal facilities being the worst - hot, stuffy and smelly and full of stressed babies and parents)