'Points & Miles' Avios earnings on Hilton Honors stays ends 2 April 2018
Jan 8, 2018, 7:30 am
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'Points & Miles' Avios earnings on Hilton Honors stays ends 2 April 2018
No more 10k Avios promotions then...
That‘s sad news...
That‘s sad news...
Jan 8, 2018, 7:46 am
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Damn! It was quite a good Avios earner on our long stays in the USA, and assorted transit hotels.
Oh, well, goodbye Hilton loyalty. No reason to book them now.
Oh, well, goodbye Hilton loyalty. No reason to book them now.
Jan 8, 2018, 8:11 am
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So if Hilton are no longer so directly linked to Avios, will the GGL -> Hilton Diamond relationship continue to exist in the longer term or will it go away?
GGL -> Hilton Diamond -> lots of Hilton stays because of the Diamond benefits -> more Avios -> more BA loyalty -> GGL is a nice flywheel, which Hilton will damage by this change.
Hilton points can, of course, be converted to Avios, but that is neither as good value nor as direct a link as the directly Avios-earning Hilton stay.
GGL -> Hilton Diamond -> lots of Hilton stays because of the Diamond benefits -> more Avios -> more BA loyalty -> GGL is a nice flywheel, which Hilton will damage by this change.
Hilton points can, of course, be converted to Avios, but that is neither as good value nor as direct a link as the directly Avios-earning Hilton stay.
Jan 8, 2018, 8:13 am
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I think this is a mistake from Hilton but hey ho, they must have their reasons. I did tend to book Hilton’s more when they had their triple Avios offers on, perhaps their package is less persuasive to me personally now.
Jan 8, 2018, 9:01 am
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Apparently less than 1% of Honors members used the 'Points&Miles' option. - what they might have overlooked was that this might have been the most valuable/highest spenders/most frequent guests, but hey ho....
Jan 8, 2018, 9:57 am
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Just to clarify, Points and Miles may be going, but it will remain possible to exchange points for Avios. The rate is 1000 Honors points = 100 Avios. If the total number of earnt points goes up significantly, then it may be swings and roundabouts, at least for Diamonds. Moreover trying to use points effectively these days isn't that easy.
Hilton Honors Updates for 2018 | FAQ
Hilton Honors Updates for 2018 | FAQ
Jan 8, 2018, 10:03 am
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There is also an ongoing discussion in the Hilton FlyerTalk Forum here:
Even More New Hilton Honors Benefits in 2018
Even More New Hilton Honors Benefits in 2018
Jan 8, 2018, 10:27 am
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I too stayed at Hilton because of GGL Benefit - Hilton Diamond Status and appreciated all the times I have been upgraded and the quality of service. If this goes ... I will miss it. I am not so concerned with the Avios although the promotions were appreciated ... especially last year ..... 10K Avios Promotions for stays in Prague, San Francisco, Tallinn, Hawaii, Singapore, Cologne, Berlin etc
Jan 8, 2018, 10:28 am
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My 19,000 points is worth ... 1,900 Avios. hmmm, that’s typically 2 months’ earning on Amex 
Off into the wide blue yonder, based on price and convenience. Unlike you roadrunners, we will never generate any meaningful Hilton benefits.
That said, Homewood Suites in PHX will be getting our business in June ... based on location, price and smoking suites!
Off into the wide blue yonder, based on price and convenience. Unlike you roadrunners, we will never generate any meaningful Hilton benefits.
That said, Homewood Suites in PHX will be getting our business in June ... based on location, price and smoking suites!
Jan 8, 2018, 10:30 am
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My grand total of 28K HH doesn't give me 2,800 Avios but only 2K Avios with 8K HH remaining.
The Points+Miles option was very useful for starting my own and Mrs. JAXBA's IB accounts; especially as the HH:IB earn was more generous than HH:BA.
Oh well; while we'll still stay at some Hampton Inns every now then, both of us will probably focus on IHG more now.
Jan 8, 2018, 10:59 am
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Free breakfast at Waldorf Astoria properties is great news if you are gold or above. Also, if you are in that group, your earnings either stay more or less the same or get better.
if BA were to alter BAEC to the benefit of silvers and above but at the expense of less frequent flyers, I can’t imagine too many complainsts on here.
if BA were to alter BAEC to the benefit of silvers and above but at the expense of less frequent flyers, I can’t imagine too many complainsts on here.