Jumbo Jet nostalgia (Telegraph article)
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Airlines don’t buy new for novelty’s sake, they do it for sound economic reasons. A new interior can be put into an old plane but extensive maintenance checks are needed as the airframe ages so it becomes uneconomic to do so. I’m sure BA could keep the 747 flying for a lot longer, but the huge cost of airworthiness checks and their poorer fuel consumption means it just isn’t worth it.
Fashion and novelty do however feature in fit out and seem to appeal above substance to many in here.
The two issues are separate, but I think can be combined so that the view is A380 must be new and 747 old whereas there are far newer 747 interiors in BA’s fleet than some A380. I suspect this does influence purchasing decisions, to the 747’s detriment.
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Does anyone have any experinces of touring the "graveyards". We are traveling from California to Arizona next month and I see there is one in Mojave that you can drive past to view from the road but more excitingly you can get a tour of the one in Tucson (Tour Boneyard)
We were planning to stay North of phoenix (grand canyon, monument valley - yes I know it will be cold) but now I'm wondering if it's worth a slight change of plans to try to make it down to Tucson...
We were planning to stay North of phoenix (grand canyon, monument valley - yes I know it will be cold) but now I'm wondering if it's worth a slight change of plans to try to make it down to Tucson...
The boneyard part of the visit/tour is on an air conditioned bus - the boneyard is all military but there are a few civvies parked outside the museum (think they just got a DC10).
We did pass a civil boneyard between Phoenix and Tucson but as it was a tour to Davis Monthan we did not stop.
I also found the nearby Titan Missile Museum worth a visit - it's a decommissioned ICBM silo complete with Titan rocket in place - plenty of info on the internet and not too far from Tucson.
Note : If you do want to tour the boneyard at Davis Monthan - take your passport with you, it is an active base and they need photo ID.
Enjoy!
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Part of the equation is, AIUI, that even though the 748 is more full efficient than the 744, the 1960s architecture means that it isn't as good as newer designs. Presumably, some of the argument for buying 748s will be the need for an aircraft of that specific capacity on some routes, but that's likely to be a small cohort of airlines anyway. And there may be some commonality cost benefits for an airline that already operates 744s. But the picture suggests that if you don't already operate 744s, you're unlikely to want 748s.
388s aren't exactly flavour of the month either, so this is not simply a question of whether the newer model is being favoured over the current derivative of the older model. The plain truth is that airlines generally don't want to buy such big aircraft any more, with only a handful of exceptions.
It won't, though, surprise FTers to know that if there's a 744 going in my direction, I'll be there. The 747 is iconic not only for its shape but for its place in history: the aircraft that really brought global air travel to ordinary people. And the 744 is the aircraft that, more than any other, defines my flying experience. It's home, and I'm not voluntarily moving out any time soon.
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Does anyone have any experinces of touring the "graveyards". We are traveling from California to Arizona next month and I see there is one in Mojave that you can drive past to view from the road but more excitingly you can get a tour of the one in Tucson (Tour Boneyard)
We were planning to stay North of phoenix (grand canyon, monument valley - yes I know it will be cold) but now I'm wondering if it's worth a slight change of plans to try to make it down to Tucson...
We were planning to stay North of phoenix (grand canyon, monument valley - yes I know it will be cold) but now I'm wondering if it's worth a slight change of plans to try to make it down to Tucson...
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My travelling companion flew on BA 107 on Jan 5th (a 744 upper deck, I think she said). Loved it. It was G-CIVD according to Flightradar24.com.
I still remember two OPUP in 2009 from WT+ to upper deck. Those OPUPs gave BA my "flying soul". Thus, I fly BA from MENA to YYZ on BA exclusively since 2009.
I still remember two OPUP in 2009 from WT+ to upper deck. Those OPUPs gave BA my "flying soul". Thus, I fly BA from MENA to YYZ on BA exclusively since 2009.
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1K yesterday. Still nothing else like it in the sky. Ditto upper deck.
Will keep actively choosing them where possible until they are sadly gone.
Will keep actively choosing them where possible until they are sadly gone.
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If you guys want to say farewell to BA's 747, take a short trip to Valencia from LGW. Teruel airport is only 1 hour from Valencia and offers good views for spotters. BA's birds shall be cut soon (now they are finishing a couple of KLM's) so be quick. There are also several Transaero 747's and some 747F. Nice place for eating (iberico ham, truffle, lamb...), skiing and enjoying some historical towns like Albarracin, or Mora. Just remember to bring a good coat as winters are bitterly cold.
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G-BNLF (05.2016)
G-BNLV (08.2016)
G-BNLJ (10.2016)
G-BNLO (03.2017)
As far as I can remember, these were the four most recent 744 retirements.
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The prototype (RA001) of the 747 is on display at the Museum of Flight, at the south end of Boeing Field in Seattle. It has been restored (as the test aircraft it was), re-painted and is now under a roof, along with Concorde and several other aircraft. I still remember going down to SeaTac sometime in 1970 to watch it make touch'n'go landings before it was certified.
The Pima Air & Space Museum, adjacent to the Davis-Monthan boneyard, is well worth a visit. They have one of the few remaining B-36 bombers, the 747 of its day (as in "How does something that big fly?").
The Pima Air & Space Museum, adjacent to the Davis-Monthan boneyard, is well worth a visit. They have one of the few remaining B-36 bombers, the 747 of its day (as in "How does something that big fly?").
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I do have a bit of a soft spot for the 747 as my first ride on one was with Wardair from PIK-YVR back in the 80's. Had a fantastic month long cycle/camping holiday up through the Rockies to Alberta.
The fare was £452 return in economy.
The fare was £452 return in economy.
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What an article
Aside from the spelling mistakes did they not even bother to look up the fleets properly? CX retired its passenger 747s last year, it now has 20 freighters of which 14 are brand new 8Fs.
There is a lot of nostalgia on here about the 747 but I'm glad they're on their way out. They're loud and uncomfortable compared to the current generation aircraft.
Aside from the spelling mistakes did they not even bother to look up the fleets properly? CX retired its passenger 747s last year, it now has 20 freighters of which 14 are brand new 8Fs.
There is a lot of nostalgia on here about the 747 but I'm glad they're on their way out. They're loud and uncomfortable compared to the current generation aircraft.
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What an article
Aside from the spelling mistakes did they not even bother to look up the fleets properly? CX retired its passenger 747s last year, it now has 20 freighters of which 14 are brand new 8Fs.
There is a lot of nostalgia on here about the 747 but I'm glad they're on their way out. They're loud and uncomfortable compared to the current generation aircraft.
Aside from the spelling mistakes did they not even bother to look up the fleets properly? CX retired its passenger 747s last year, it now has 20 freighters of which 14 are brand new 8Fs.
There is a lot of nostalgia on here about the 747 but I'm glad they're on their way out. They're loud and uncomfortable compared to the current generation aircraft.
Of course more modern designs should be more efficient, but that is in terms of fuel economy for the airline, which may result in a quieter plane. Comfort depends on how you fit out the plane. The last 50 years have been about designs more focused on airlines’ bottom lines than passengers’ aspirations.
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The CW cabin on the UD of the BA 747's will be very sadly missed when they eventually retire.
To this day I would still actively choose a 747 over any other long haul aircraft type except the A380.
To this day I would still actively choose a 747 over any other long haul aircraft type except the A380.
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On my current trip AA messed around with flight times and types which allowed me some freedom to rebook something else of my choosing. I specifically went for an itinerary including 747 TATLs, I have 64A to look forward to coming home later today. To me the A380 just has no soul (sorry I know this is an odd point and most wouldn't care) whereas the 747 does.