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Link to Text of the regulations in PDF format
How about a Wiki to post EU comp given/denied as well as results for any CEDR or other process. Especially concerning the 787 issue as there are going to be many claims given all the cancellations.
Mine was April 22 BA280 LAX-LHR cancellation 4 days before flight and rebooked on later flight and arrived 4.5 hrs later than origianlly scheduled. BA's response was to deny for "operational" requirements though the 787 "tentatively assigned" G-ZBJG was used instead for a LHR-YUL flight that same day. CEDR filed and awaiting their initial review. Sept 3rd UPDATE: CEDR decision in Article 7 comp awarded in the amount of 600 euro as even though extraordinary circumstances are present in an engine defect as this, BA didn't show that they took reasonable steps to avoid the cancellation as they have known since Oct 2017 of this issue.
How about a Wiki to post EU comp given/denied as well as results for any CEDR or other process. Especially concerning the 787 issue as there are going to be many claims given all the cancellations.
Mine was April 22 BA280 LAX-LHR cancellation 4 days before flight and rebooked on later flight and arrived 4.5 hrs later than origianlly scheduled. BA's response was to deny for "operational" requirements though the 787 "tentatively assigned" G-ZBJG was used instead for a LHR-YUL flight that same day. CEDR filed and awaiting their initial review. Sept 3rd UPDATE: CEDR decision in Article 7 comp awarded in the amount of 600 euro as even though extraordinary circumstances are present in an engine defect as this, BA didn't show that they took reasonable steps to avoid the cancellation as they have known since Oct 2017 of this issue.
The 2018 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation EC261/2004
#541
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An update regarding this case - more than a month since the initial rejection email, to which I promptly responded through their web link provided. A week ago I sent another email to follow up regarding my challenge to their claim, and have not received a response. What would be the next step to take in this situation?
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#543
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Many thanks for the advice. BA just off the phone and now accepted that baggage contractors taking over 2 hrs to find an ill passengers bag is not an extraordinary circumstance.
€600 back to account, which will be back in their account next week for more flights!
€600 back to account, which will be back in their account next week for more flights!
#544
Join Date: Apr 2018
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It worked with the first link, thank you. Is it the first link only for claiming expenses or even for the EC261 ? As I was unsure I wrote that I expect to get the compensation I am entitled by EC261 and the money for my expenses due to the diversion.
#545
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Hello again
Stil no luck with my claim. I tried to do it again today, after my entire trip was over but doesnt work. It works until I have to submit the whole claim and then
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We’re very sorry for this inconvenience. Please try again later or contact our Customer Relations team for anything urgent. "
Something else I can do before I email them or call ?
Stil no luck with my claim. I tried to do it again today, after my entire trip was over but doesnt work. It works until I have to submit the whole claim and then
"
Sorry, there is a problem
It looks like we are experiencing some technical difficulties at the moment. If you were in the middle of submitting a complaint or claim, your information will have been lost.We’re very sorry for this inconvenience. Please try again later or contact our Customer Relations team for anything urgent. "
Something else I can do before I email them or call ?
Rang customer services - and message says "all lines are busy, please use web site - and then hangs up".....
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I believe if you get it in somewhere it should all be processed together. Some expenses - so called consequential losses - they won't pay, but if it was things like taxis and drinks it should be OK. They won't pay for additional car parking fees, for example.
#547
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So no phone call bill ? 30 dollars for 17 minutes talk with Avis US
and an extra charge for the car rental for being late 24 hours ?
and an extra charge for the car rental for being late 24 hours ?
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The phone bill should be OK, the Avis charge - well I would normally look to your insurers. However there is a poorly used clause 19 in the Montréal Convention where the airline is responsible for damages caused by delay, and personally that would seem to help you here. Let's see what happens when BA assesses your claim, it is certainly better to claim it than to leave it out. I hope that you will hear back within the next few weeks.
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Greeted by this in Terminal 5 this morning, a sight every regular traveller dreads.My flight to Kamino has been indeterminably delayed.
Can I demand a re-route? It's not an EU airline. Do I get EU 261?
Can I demand a re-route? It's not an EU airline. Do I get EU 261?
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Yes, I would not hang about, I'd get yourself rebooked to Tatooine as quickly a possible, passing by Boots to stock up with as much SPF50 and water as you can carry. Don't forget to check out Jabba the Hutt's eatery, may have a Michelin star or two.
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Well as you would be leaving ithe EU then EU261 would apply.
though I’m sure the Emperor would just deny your claim anyway.
But remember what happen to alderaan when it pressed its claim ...
though I’m sure the Emperor would just deny your claim anyway.
But remember what happen to alderaan when it pressed its claim ...
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Hello im about to put a claim in. My flight ba67 to PHL was delayed by over three hours. We departed from the gate to realise a fuel leak and after a full fire truck response and escort back to the gate we sat there whilst they diagnoses it and fixes it. Three hours of sitting on the ground the pilot said theyd over fuelled the aircraft and due to heat, fuel went into the secondary tanks and then sprayed out (not an engineer but it was along those lines). This makes me think it was human error, no other aircraft around was over fuelled, they had the forcast, does anyone think ill have a chance on this ?
Thanks
Thanks
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It needs to be 3 hours late on arrival obviously but the circumstances seems to be a clear EC261 Article 7 claim to me. I would hesitate to put in a claim immediately after it has happened, it's sometimes best to leave it a week or two before submitting as explained upthread.
#554
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Still NOT Budging!
[This case relates to one of the delayed-overnight JNB flights, due to technical difficulties with the aircraft].
In this specific area, normally CEDR is OK. So what I would do is do a very brief note back to your contact, since s/he has invited you to do this, and say something like "Your reply seems not to take into account Siewert v Condor, particularly clause 19 of the judgement but also clause 17. Can you therefore provide me with a deadlock response so I can take the matter to CEDR forthwith?". By putting something like that in the reply, the agent will either have to do the deadlock release, or refer it to a paralegal.
In this specific area, normally CEDR is OK. So what I would do is do a very brief note back to your contact, since s/he has invited you to do this, and say something like "Your reply seems not to take into account Siewert v Condor, particularly clause 19 of the judgement but also clause 17. Can you therefore provide me with a deadlock response so I can take the matter to CEDR forthwith?". By putting something like that in the reply, the agent will either have to do the deadlock release, or refer it to a paralegal.
Thanks for getting back in touch with us about your EU compensation claim. I understand this is something you feel strongly about and I’m sorry you’re unhappy with our previous replies. We really want you to fly with us again and we know not resolving your complaint fully will affect the decisions you make when you need to travel in the future.
I’ve had another look at your claim for compensation and I’ve taken time to make sure our response is accurate and up-to-date.I’m afraid our decision hasn’t changed and the responses you’ve received about the eligibility of your EU compensation claim are correct.
As your flight BA0055 on 15 April was delayed because of aircraft damage caused during ground handling, which prevented the aircraft operating as scheduled, we’re unable to offer you any compensation. I know this isn’t the answer you were hoping for and I’m sorry to let you down.
Given the information we hold about your delayed, our answer won’t change and we’re unable to respond to any further requests for compensation.
A formal letter before action has now been sent to the UK address but would it be uncharitbale to assume the Indian customer contact centre staff have carte blanche to deny claims and obfuscate as much as possible in the hope customers give up? I can only hope the letter before action prompts somebody more competent to assess the case and progress the issue.
From a technical/timeline point of view, is it best to wait the 8 weeks (from time of complaint) and start the CEDR process or just dive in after 14 days from receipt of the letter before action and go down the MCOL route? Having read the Siewert v Condor case details, I am at a total loss as to why BA are claiming "ground handling" causing damage is an extraordinary circumstance. Thanks in advance.
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From a technical/timeline point of view, is it best to wait the 8 weeks (from time of complaint) and start the CEDR process or just dive in after 14 days from receipt of the letter before action and go down the MCOL route? Having read the Siewert v Condor case details, I am at a total loss as to why BA are claiming "ground handling" causing damage is an extraordinary circumstance. Thanks in advance.