BA 294 ORD - LHR returns to ORD after engine incident
Sep 4, 2017, 9:21 am
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Sep 4, 2017, 9:31 am
#34
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I would imagine an ORD-LHR flight would be over max landing weight,which leads to other choices.The aircraft will need to loose weight or perform an overweight landing.There are 2 ways to loose weight,essentially fuel,burn it or dump it.If flames visible are continuing,then dumping is perhaps not a great option.
A surge would not normally set off the engine fire warnings,so the crew would have a reasonable amount of time to look at the various options.I would have every confidence in BA pilots to assess and confront the situation in a knowledgeable and skillful way.^
Sep 4, 2017, 9:49 am
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This is not to say that witness statements are inherently reliable. They tend not to be. Too often, we unconsciously edit our memories to what we believe happened rather than "record" what actually happened.
Sep 4, 2017, 9:56 am
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I have seen several, all be it on an L1011 (RB211). Flames up to 40 feet in length.
Sep 4, 2017, 10:09 am
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All I will say is that I suspect those on board don't care about the exact nature of the issue - for them it was probably quite frightening. Same for the crew - whilst trained for, not exactly just another day in the office. At best it presumably will involve some paperwork, some pissed off passengers and an extra night away from home. For those on the ground, they probably thought they knew what they saw. For a compressor stall, it's quite possible for some "flames" to be coming out the back of the engine. Again, non-normal.
Sep 4, 2017, 10:26 am
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All I will say is that I suspect those on board don't care about the exact nature of the issue - for them it was probably quite frightening. Same for the crew - whilst trained for, not exactly just another day in the office. At best it presumably will involve some paperwork, some pissed off passengers and an extra night away from home. For those on the ground, they probably thought they knew what they saw. For a compressor stall, it's quite possible for some "flames" to be coming out the back of the engine. Again, non-normal.
Sep 4, 2017, 10:26 am
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Sep 4, 2017, 10:36 am
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747 engines can be moved around fairly easily. When Swiss had a nearly-new 777 engine go bang in February, it had to set down at YFB. Swiss had to charter an An-124 to bring in the replacement, and built a temporary (heated) igloo around the engine to allow it to be swapped out, as there isn't a hangar at the airport big enough to house a 777. Took about a week.
Sep 4, 2017, 10:36 am
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That's certainly the way my wife felt about it. She was on the flight, in Club World on the upper deck. She heard a loud bang and further smaller bangs that continued for 10-15 seconds after the original noise. The plane shuddered but didnt seem to experience any immediate significant change in direction or altitude. Flames could be seen coming from the malfunctioning engine, and a smell of burning was in the cabin. The plane returned to ORD, circled to dump fuel and landed safely. One passenger required emergency medical attention upon landing. We're going back to ORD to try again this evening.
We are now on page 3 of this thread,and no one has mentioned EU261 yet.Flyertalkers are slipping.
Sep 4, 2017, 10:40 am
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They still occur: https://www.flightradar24.com/blog/h...wing-of-a-747/
747 engines can be moved around fairly easily. When Swiss had a nearly-new 777 engine go bang in February, it had to set down at YFB. Swiss had to charter an An-124 to bring in the replacement, and built a temporary (heated) igloo around the engine to allow it to be swapped out, as there isn't a hangar at the airport big enough to house a 777. Took about a week.
747 engines can be moved around fairly easily. When Swiss had a nearly-new 777 engine go bang in February, it had to set down at YFB. Swiss had to charter an An-124 to bring in the replacement, and built a temporary (heated) igloo around the engine to allow it to be swapped out, as there isn't a hangar at the airport big enough to house a 777. Took about a week.