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Old May 27, 2017, 8:25 am
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All IT systems are back up and running and BA are operating normal flight schedules.

PLEASE ASK ALL COMPENSATION RELATED QUESTIONS IN THE DEDICATED TOPIC: The 2017 BA compensation thread: Your guide to Regulation 261/2004. The full list of cancelled and delayed flights for Sunday is to be found here, though note that it is the arrival time that matters for delays.

Successful (or otherwise) reports for claims where the information would be of use to others would, however, be very welcome in this thread.

Monday flight cancellations for LHR listed here. Services to and from LGW, LCY and STN seem to be working more or less on time.. Telephone numbers for rebooking are in this post, note also the difference between what contact centres and airport staff can do, noted here.

Updated 29/05/2017 22:50 (UK time) Link to BA updates: https://www.britishairways.com/trave...VINF4more_news

Baggage
There are a significant number of bags at Heathrow which we will be reuniting with customers via couriers as soon as we can. This will be done free of charge. Please help us to get these to you as quickly as possible by ensuring we have your latest contact details by filing a delayed bag report.



If your journey was disrupted -
Because of the scale of the disruption, most passengers should expect to make their own arrangements to mitigate the disruption as BA will not have resources to assist all passengers. BA have a duty of care under EU Regulation 261/2004 and according to this letter handed out at Gatwick the following costs would usually be claimable from BA.
  • £25 for reasonable meal/refeshment expenses (per adult per day)
  • 2 reasonable phone calls per customer

If an overnight stay is required
  • £200 for a hotel room (for 2 people)
  • £50 Transport to/from the airport (round trip)

Although BA has suggested some guideline costs for duty of care, EU Regulation 261/2004 doesn't specify any monetary cap. By documenting (take a screen capture of a hotel comparison site for example) that there were no cheaper alternatives, it is possible that claims exceeding the guideline costs suggested by BA may be met. Expenses not covered by BA may be claimable from your travel insurance subject to possible policy excesses.

Duty of care is separate from fixed sum compensation (EUR 250 to 600 depending on the flight distance) for flight delays/cancellations, which may or may not be payable under EU Regulation 261/2004 depending on whether BA can show that the flight delay was caused by 'extraordinary circumstances' and that it took 'all reasonable measures' to avoid the resulting delay. Also, airlines do not usually entertain claims for consequential losses (for example, the cost of prepaid accomodation which you can't now use), so you would need to look to your travel insurance for these costs.

EU Regulation 261/2004 does not cover delayed/damaged/lost baggage. The Montreal Convention sets an upper limit for delayed/damaged/lost baggage compensation. For more information, visit the BA.com webpage on delayed/damaged/lost baggage.

You can read the forum thread for guidance on EU Regulation 261/2004 or check back on these forums later for more advice on claiming, but first of all look after yourself during this disruption.

Claiming expenses incurred during the disruption
https://disruptionclaim.britishairways.com/

Historic update as of 18:55 on Saturday

All BA flights from LHR and LGW are cancelled for the remainder of the day (Saturday 27th May). This is due to a major systems outage of most of BA's computer systems. The original cause of the outage was a power failure from which BA has found it difficult to recover.

Because Call Centre systems are also down, and their own web pages may be affected, BA is encouraging affected customer to seek updates via BA Twitter feed and Facebook page.

Alex Cruz has indicated that those passengers who no longer wish to fly with BA on their booking for today will be "fast tracked" for refunds. However, no mechanism for this has yet been communicated (7pm Saturday). Again affected customers are asked to follow the relevant Twitter and Facebook communication channels.

There are reportedly long delays leaving the airport with some customers claiming delays of many hours.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by deboyzoned
See if you can get on the BA16 coming from Sydney
Well. Yes - but to do that one needs to get through BA and since all systems are down you can't even get rebooked. And with the DNATA staff at SIN, I'm not sure if they have authorities.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by Internaut
Do BA do their critical IT in house, or is it all outsourced/offshore?
Mostly outsourced to Tata now; if you wish to be depressed, see here, here, here and here.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by ChrisTheZulu
flights (obviously) from Gibraltar have been cancelled, so i have been put into a hotel about 20miles away. Staff expect it to take a few days for BA to get people home, likely not from Gib either.

Looking at my options, i can get an iberia flight at 06:40 back to LHR via MAD, but dont want to go for that and then find that the MAD-LHR leg is cancelled to to having nowhere to go on the LHR end?

suggestions?
You're in Southern Spain. LCCs should have loads of flights to the UK from out there at this time of year. Easyjet has Malaga-Luton at 11:45 pm tonight, just as an example.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:53 am
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Originally Posted by Internaut
Do BA do their critical IT in house, or is it all outsourced/offshore?
They use a private cloud based system. Contracted through Juniper. At least that's what I got word from back in 2015.

EDIt: Someone beat me to their IT management. Their structure is hosted by a private cloud solution, managed/repaired by monkeys with duct tape.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:54 am
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Originally Posted by wanderingjock
my son is in KRK and the flight back tonight is cancelled. Can i put him on the 6.45am RyanAir tomorrow and get the costs covered by BA?
Theoretically, yes. However your best bet would be to push for a refund from BA, given the Ryanair option will likely be cheaper anyway. Less argument from BA that way than pushing for them to comp your FR tickets.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:55 am
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Seems like a bad day getting worse by the hour. Could this make Alex go...?
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77
Seems like a bad day getting worse by the hour. Could this make Alex go...?
^ +1
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by Sigwx
ORD PHX LAX BOS OAK DEL BOM IAH at least one frame in the air for the above.
IAD/BA217 too?
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by nufnuf77
Seems like a bad day getting worse by the hour. Could this make Alex go...?
Or his bonus.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:57 am
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Originally Posted by dakaix
Theoretically, yes. However your best bet would be to push for a refund from BA, given the Ryanair option will likely be cheaper anyway. Less argument from BA that way than pushing for them to comp your FR tickets.
If FR has any sense they'll add a few hundred pounds to today's walk up prices.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:57 am
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Any one willing to make predictions for tomorrow?

Sigwx suggested they will get planes to outstations to operate to LHR in the morning.

What do people think?
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:58 am
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IAD/BA217 too?
Not that I can see. That said I'm reduced to the NATS app and that is it
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by Calchas
It's now outsourced
Thanks. Then not necessarily BA where heads roll over this.
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Old May 27, 2017, 9:59 am
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Originally Posted by dakaix
Theoretically, yes. However your best bet would be to push for a refund from BA, given the Ryanair option will likely be cheaper anyway. Less argument from BA that way than pushing for them to comp your FR tickets.
Originally Posted by wanderingjock
my son is in KRK and the flight back tonight is cancelled. Can i put him on the 6.45am RyanAir tomorrow and get the costs covered by BA?
I have put some very basic information in the Wiki at the top of this thread.
The latest update from BA is that "those unable to fly will be offered a full refund" so if you can arrange your own flights you should do this. Keep a record of all expenses.
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Old May 27, 2017, 10:00 am
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They've told us to go to gates 18/19 to exit yet massive queues and no-one is going anywhere.
Zero staff about and no-one knows what is going on.
Should start tweeting g about being held against my will.
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