Dec 13, 2016, 11:12 pm
Last edit by: NWIFlyer
Routes to/from LGW*/LCY/STN are NOT affected. Only flights to/from LHR* are potentially affected. If you think you may be affected, post 2714 (click here) may be helpful.
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
Ballot results for industrial action:
*The LGW-JFK flight has seen a lot of cancellations for the current strike period.
Current strike period:
- None
Next announced strike period:
Previous strike periods:
- 25th December 2016 from 00:01 for 48 hours. (Strike action was suspended following ACAS discussions and revised offer.)
- 10th & 11th January 2017
- 19th January 2017 for 72 hours until 21st January
- 5th-7th & 9th-11th February 2017
- 17th-20th February 2017
- 22nd-25th February 2017
- 3rd-9th March 2017
- 16th-19th June 2017 (suspended pending further ACAS talks)
- 1st-16th July 2017
- 19th July-1st August 2017
- 2nd-15th August 2017
- 16th-30th August 2017
Routes affected:
As a possible indication, for the fifth strike period BA announced the following cancellations:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/27910044-post2131.html as well as flights to and from Doha on all affected days (17 - 20 February).
Mixed fleet routes are listed here, though note that other (non Mixed Fleet) flights from Heathrow are also being cancelled.
Note for context in terms of how many routes might actually be affected: there are about 4000 members of MF (of which ~2,700 are Unite members and therefore eligible to take industrial action) and 15,000 total cabin crew
Background Details from BA:
Strike 19th July-1st August
2nd August-16th August
Background Details from Unite:
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...ty-pay-levels/
http://www.unitetheunion.org/news/br...refuses-talks/
Latest negotiating position:
Talks at ACAS in June appear to have failed, with a further two week strike commencing 1st July announced on 16th June.
Key upcoming dates:
- Latest negotiated position (@ 23rd Oct 2017) between BA & Unite to be balloted. Rumoured that the union is recommending acceptance.
Ballot results for industrial action:
- First ballot, November 2016: Yes 79.5%, No 20.5%
- Second ballot, December 2016: Yes 70%, No 30%
- Third ballot, March 2017: Yes 56%, No 44%, turnout 72%
BA 'Mixed Fleet' cabin crew dispute [agreement reached]
Nov 11, 2016, 5:51 pm
#16
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Is there anywhere (other than here) that you can find out which fleet operates which LH route?
If the potential is there for strike action early in the new year I'd appreciate it if someone can do a quick summary of the LH routes served by Mixed Fleet.
Many thanks!
If the potential is there for strike action early in the new year I'd appreciate it if someone can do a quick summary of the LH routes served by Mixed Fleet.
Many thanks!
Nov 11, 2016, 6:00 pm
#17
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Nov 11, 2016, 6:00 pm
#18
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DFW, DEN, DXB and KWI have just moved back to Worldwide. Not sure if it's MF or WW operating the AUH.
Nov 11, 2016, 6:02 pm
#19
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Thank you Lite!
Nov 11, 2016, 6:11 pm
#20
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Nov 12, 2016, 1:30 am
#25
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I guess this is not what BA had in mind when boasting at Capital Markets Day about increasing MF to 42% of the cabin crew fleet. Maybe they thought the Millennials would not get organised...
Nov 12, 2016, 2:05 am
#26
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There are a number of issues that MF crew are facing from the company at present, however pay is the reason stated for this potential industrial action.
CSM's have had no rise in their basic annual salary for 6 years. Those of us who have been there the majority of that time have, through performance related pay had increases, but only if we've "performed".
The promises of what we would earn have not materialised.
With the rising cost of inflation, the increased costs in most overseas destinations it is now becoming difficult to actually survive for some crew and they live close by!
We have no scheduling agreement which has resulted in poor rostering creating the high potential for fatigue (EASA have done us no favours). Example the recent announcement of a 4 day SCL trip (2 nearly 16 hour night duties, with a single local night in SCL). The reason "it's not cost effective for us to have you stay longer".
It remains to be seen what will happen with the ballot, but on the whole the fleet is the most unmotivated and tired I have seen.
D1L
Nov 12, 2016, 2:14 am
#27
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Assuming it takes a few days to tally the results and decide on the next course of action, the earliest a strike could realistically take place would be between Xmas and New Years.
Pilot37
Nov 12, 2016, 2:56 am
#28
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Spoke to the crew of a competing airline on a recent 14+ hour trip and was told they were back on duty the next day (ie flew back 24 hours later).
Is there a recovery period after such an extended duty rotation where no duty is assigned?
Nov 12, 2016, 3:12 am
#29
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As mentioned above, once the result is known, the Union must give 7 days notice to BA of any planned strike action.
Assuming it takes a few days to tally the results and decide on the next course of action, the earliest a strike could realistically take place would be between Xmas and New Years.
Pilot37
Assuming it takes a few days to tally the results and decide on the next course of action, the earliest a strike could realistically take place would be between Xmas and New Years.
Pilot37
Nov 12, 2016, 3:18 am
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Thank You CIHY! ^
There are a number of issues that MF crew are facing from the company at present, however pay is the reason stated for this potential industrial action.
CSM's have had no rise in their basic annual salary for 6 years. Those of us who have been there the majority of that time have, through performance related pay had increases, but only if we've "performed".
The promises of what we would earn have not materialised.
With the rising cost of inflation, the increased costs in most overseas destinations it is now becoming difficult to actually survive for some crew and they live close by!
We have no scheduling agreement which has resulted in poor rostering creating the high potential for fatigue (EASA have done us no favours). Example the recent announcement of a 4 day SCL trip (2 nearly 16 hour night duties, with a single local night in SCL). The reason "it's not cost effective for us to have you stay longer".
It remains to be seen what will happen with the ballot, but on the whole the fleet is the most unmotivated and tired I have seen.
D1L
There are a number of issues that MF crew are facing from the company at present, however pay is the reason stated for this potential industrial action.
CSM's have had no rise in their basic annual salary for 6 years. Those of us who have been there the majority of that time have, through performance related pay had increases, but only if we've "performed".
The promises of what we would earn have not materialised.
With the rising cost of inflation, the increased costs in most overseas destinations it is now becoming difficult to actually survive for some crew and they live close by!
We have no scheduling agreement which has resulted in poor rostering creating the high potential for fatigue (EASA have done us no favours). Example the recent announcement of a 4 day SCL trip (2 nearly 16 hour night duties, with a single local night in SCL). The reason "it's not cost effective for us to have you stay longer".
It remains to be seen what will happen with the ballot, but on the whole the fleet is the most unmotivated and tired I have seen.
D1L