dolfinco

The other thing i find strange about that video is the lack of direction or organisation at the bottom. Whilst i get there was no visible signs of fire or anything, something must have been deemed seriously enough wrong to evacuate this way, yet everybody gets to the bottom and just mulls about.

Im not sure what the SOP is but surely if you evacuate using a slide, the intention should be to get as far away from the plane as possible. If your car caught fire in a petrol station, you wouldnt get out and stand the other side of the pump. ^

Silver Fox

Same mentality as the people that get to the top/bottom of the escalator and just stop one step after getting off.

Waterhorse

Once at the bottom of the slide, if possible, walk into the wind. That will reduce the danger from any fire behind you and it is what we teach our crews to do. Obey any instructions from those on the ground like the fire services but in doubt walk into the wind. If you don't know where the wind is walk to the nose of the aircraft and walk forward, you won't go far wrong.

EsherFlyer

Are we quibbling about the general need or who specifically said it, which may have got lost in the mists of time? For example Airbus have said:

Even if CAA said something general in relation to MAN, they could be simply reinforcing the fact that they recognise the value of the actions of the crew and pointing out to other carriers that they strive for the same. It isn't clear to me that such a comment would be saying the MAN crew failed in any way, which seems to be the inference drawn above.

Tobias-UK

I think the courts would take the view that "reasonable force" is acceptable and that could amount to more than 'minimum force'.

simons1

OK so let's note what the report really said.

Firstly "a number of survivors clearly owe their lives to the direct actions of the purser and the No4 stewardess".

Secondly "such evidence that there was indicated that the No2 and No3 stewardesses carried out their duties to the best of their abilities" (your quote is inaccurate). Although they were the least experienced this was "unlikely to have significantly influenced the outcome".

A reasonable conclusion from this would be that the cabin crew performed well, something further emphasised by the fact that all the cabin crew were recognised for their bravery, sadly two of them posthumously.

Returning to the point you still haven't produced any evidence to support your comment that "the CAA demanded that airlines took on a new breed of cabin crew - those able to take charge, assert themselves and command". All the enquiry said was that inexperienced crew should be distributed through the aircraft. Unless I'm mistaken I can't see there are any references to any such demands or anything that resembles that.

So unless you have something else to show us to back up your case I think it would be preferable to avoid denigrating others, particularly people who sadly are not here to defend themselves.

Concerto

The issue about passengers taking their carry on baggage with them is getting a lot of attention here in Europe. There have been several reports in papers etc. Here's one from the Swiss site of Bluewin (Swisscom), which is in French only:

https://www.bluewin.ch/fr/infos/fait...gages-a-m.html

fartoomanyusers

i was amused by Flightglobal's take - in the absence of any hard facts ... let's talk about bags !

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...raft-e-416640/

henkybaby

Talk ? That was the single most useless piece of wasted internet space I ever saw... Is it not finished yet ? A draft ? Is flightglobal a 14 year old's blog ?

Globaliser

Is this a serious question?

henkybaby

Er... Based on the front page advertising this nonsensical article, a video of a plane in Star Wars theme and a report (just read the linked article) that was a summary of publicly available titbits, I was wondering... That is bad of me, I guess ?

If it is a industry standard site, I apologise. Never knew they even existed.

Ah... I know their products. Bit silly of me indeed. Maybe they should invest in the 'magazine' element of their site...

vibrex

I've never heard it called that before!

It's a serious site, you may be more familiar with their magazine "Flight International". It's an essential read if you are in the industry. Journalism at its very best.

One of their editors, David Learmount is frequently on the TV - whenever there is an aviation related incident.

DYKWIA

I ask again then, where is the evidence of your claim above? Just to be clear, I've bolded the part I'm talking about.

It's not in the recommendations of the AAIB (the link you gave). So, where did it come from?

henkybaby

Yes, it was always on a table somewhere. I do feel a bit silly and have removed the gun from my hip...

Apologies to the people at Flight Global. (Still 2 very strange articles though. )

fourspoons

Just realised the irony of BA's current lounge wifi password.... I'm not a superstitious man but I might think twice about flying to the next city they change it to!