What routes loses the most money?
Jan 6, 2015, 2:14 pm
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Jan 6, 2015, 2:17 pm
#47
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Public subsidy is where this practice is frownded upon.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:21 pm
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Airlines can hardly be critisised for private subsidy. That is a valid revenue source. Several routes can considered to be "subisised by enterprise" through several forms of revenue guarantees/ quantity of people transported in exchange for the operating airline to ensure it meets the companies route needs and discounts on tickets.
Public subsidy is where this practice is frownded upon.
Public subsidy is where this practice is frownded upon.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:32 pm
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The "operated by BA limited" was a mere accounting exercise that had to do with holding Heathrow slots. That exercise has now been dropped and the aircraft returned to operating under the BA Banner- nothing to do with subsidy.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:34 pm
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I seem to recall reading somewhere that the BWI service receives (or received) a subsidy from the state government.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:36 pm
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A subsidised unprofitable route, quickly becomes profitable. BA are not going to deny a free subsidy that Maryland feels brings wealth into the state. So I think, BWI is one of the routes that we can, with any certainty, state that BA makes a profit on.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:38 pm
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Airlines can hardly be critisised for private subsidy. That is a valid revenue source. Several routes can considered to be "subisised by enterprise" through several forms of revenue guarantees/ quantity of people transported in exchange for the operating airline to ensure it meets the companies route needs and discounts on tickets.
Public subsidy is where this practice is frownded upon.
Public subsidy is where this practice is frownded upon.
Isn't the LHR-PHL route backed somehow by a big pharma? I've read that somewhere.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:39 pm
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Or, perhaps, Maryland rather than Virginia.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:41 pm
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To my knowledge, this route was never subsidised by anyone. It may have had corporate contracts and be backed by major financial organisations, but no form of public revenue guarantees.
The "operated by BA limited" was a mere accounting exercise that had to do with holding Heathrow slots. That exercise has now been dropped and the aircraft returned to operating under the BA Banner- nothing to do with subsidy.
The "operated by BA limited" was a mere accounting exercise that had to do with holding Heathrow slots. That exercise has now been dropped and the aircraft returned to operating under the BA Banner- nothing to do with subsidy.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:48 pm
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I wasn't bashing them at all. They can do what the hell they like as far as I'm concerned. If business A pays business B some money to maintain a service beneficial to A, then that's a perfectly respectable transaction.
Isn't the LHR-PHL route backed somehow by a big pharma? I've read that somewhere.
Isn't the LHR-PHL route backed somehow by a big pharma? I've read that somewhere.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:49 pm
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Not entirely on topic, but googling airline subsidy through up this gem:
http://www.emirates.com/english/imag...233-845771.pdf
Some interesting stats re airlines and state subsidies. BA seems to doing very well on it's own compared some other European flag carriers.
http://www.emirates.com/english/imag...233-845771.pdf
Some interesting stats re airlines and state subsidies. BA seems to doing very well on it's own compared some other European flag carriers.
Jan 6, 2015, 2:51 pm
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Jan 6, 2015, 3:08 pm
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Chatting to AA cabin crew the other month on board a SFO-JFK flight I learned the A321T has proved very popular with AA crews (IFE issues aside) and financially is working very well for AA. Evidently, operating costs theoretically break even with 2 full fare occupants in F and 8 in J and in practice is proving very successful for the airline. Something to think about on your next trip to HNL 
BA sold a slot pair to QR for its DOH-LHR A319 service. The seats on that were the same as the J seats on the AA A321T
Jan 6, 2015, 3:22 pm
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As for the IFE, mine had issues. Crew chap told me hold the power button for 30 seconds and it'll do a hard reset (takes about 5 minutes to reboot) then was back in action.