Would a "helpful" post button add value to our forum?
Dec 24, 2014, 1:00 pm
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When you are old enough to get your B&Q Diamond Card 
10% off all purchases every Wednesday for the over-60s.
Wow, the store heaves then, even though 90% of them have little idea why they're there or what they're doing ... I can't speak for the other 10%, of course, but it's warm and dry and a morning out
10% off all purchases every Wednesday for the over-60s. Wow, the store heaves then, even though 90% of them have little idea why they're there or what they're doing ... I can't speak for the other 10%, of course, but it's warm and dry and a morning out
Why would I buy a car when I can ride the bus for free?
Dec 24, 2014, 1:00 pm
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I need to add Wyndham, AA and US, for a start. Zero points with all, but you have to start somewhere!
Oh, and sorry about next Wednesday ... heading off to HNL, as one must
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Dec 24, 2014, 1:01 pm
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Only joking!
It isn't about purposeful and intentional cliques it is about the natural tendency of these things dare I say almost subconsciously. Some even supposedly highly intelligent people never let a bone go. I for example will find it difficult not to always hit like every time CIHY posts or if Bing Bong Boy returned, (I miss him) and I'd develop an uncontrollable twitch trying to stop myself. On the other hand that other person who constantly tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about every time I post .... well, we aren't quite even yet are we.
Do you get my drift? I am jesting to make my point but isn't life a touch like that here ....
It isn't about purposeful and intentional cliques it is about the natural tendency of these things dare I say almost subconsciously. Some even supposedly highly intelligent people never let a bone go. I for example will find it difficult not to always hit like every time CIHY posts or if Bing Bong Boy returned, (I miss him) and I'd develop an uncontrollable twitch trying to stop myself. On the other hand that other person who constantly tells me that I don't know what I'm talking about every time I post .... well, we aren't quite even yet are we.
Do you get my drift? I am jesting to make my point but isn't life a touch like that here ....
However, I'm not sure the way a helpful button would be used would be always or entirely unconscious. We may consciously 'like' a post of someone despite its helpfulness, deliberately. Other times we may be unconsciously biased and not see it. Even if the way we contribute to the forum is unconscious however, then those unconscious processes are already present in the way we post, how, when, and how often! A helpful button would just be an extension of the way we already contribute, unconscious or not. Phew!
Dec 24, 2014, 1:02 pm
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I'm against any kind of button because FlyerTalk is not a social network where people become more popular, introducing a Like button might create fights among members supported by the likes of other members. I support open discussions, adding a second indirect purpose (the likes) risks to turn them into opportunistic confrontations.
At the same I don't undertand the utility of a helpful button: stickies and wikis do a great job. I like the BA board because is fluid: other forums have consolidated threads about macro topic which IMO kill the discussion. Here we might have four "First dress code" threads a week, but each of them is different and brings new value to the discussion.
At the same I don't undertand the utility of a helpful button: stickies and wikis do a great job. I like the BA board because is fluid: other forums have consolidated threads about macro topic which IMO kill the discussion. Here we might have four "First dress code" threads a week, but each of them is different and brings new value to the discussion.
Dec 24, 2014, 1:11 pm
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Thanks - the power of the unconscious. I guess that if we are to delve into the unconscious personal and group processes present here then we'd better prepare for a long night!
However, I'm not sure the way a helpful button would be used would be always or entirely unconscious. We may consciously 'like' a post of someone despite its helpfulness, deliberately. Other times we may be unconsciously biased and not see it. Even if the way we contribute to the forum is unconscious however, then those unconscious processes are already present in the way we post, how, when, and how often! A helpful button would just be an extension of the way we already contribute, unconscious or not. Phew!
However, I'm not sure the way a helpful button would be used would be always or entirely unconscious. We may consciously 'like' a post of someone despite its helpfulness, deliberately. Other times we may be unconsciously biased and not see it. Even if the way we contribute to the forum is unconscious however, then those unconscious processes are already present in the way we post, how, when, and how often! A helpful button would just be an extension of the way we already contribute, unconscious or not. Phew!
An example.
Someone posts a compensation issue. A poster in reply says something along the lines of "I am fed up with DYKWIA idiots like you always seeking compensation". At the moment support might be there, but although stridency will always be there having a simple button to press - whatever it is labelled - will be "over used" and morphs into a pseudo poll and it will stop people posting if they think that will be the outcome. People will see the count as a poll.
That is what will happen and I don't think that is a positive direction. And once you add this you cannot take it away so easily.
Dec 24, 2014, 1:29 pm
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Interesting to read the mixed views here, certainly can see both sides. But I am now swayed towards being against this which is contrary to my views shared on page 1.
Now I wonder how this thread would fare if this feature existed!
Now I wonder how this thread would fare if this feature existed!
Dec 24, 2014, 1:29 pm
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I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
Dec 24, 2014, 1:36 pm
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Excuse the big snip of your perfectly reasonable comment .. but an IT facility such as this could be expunged in a miili-second by IB/FT techies. There might be howls of protest, but possibly no worse than the ones when it was introduced?
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
Dec 24, 2014, 1:38 pm
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Excuse the big snip of your perfectly reasonable comment .. but an IT facility such as this could be expunged in a miili-second by IB/FT techies. There might be howls of protest, but possibly no worse than the ones when it was introduced?
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
Dec 24, 2014, 2:02 pm
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Excuse the big snip of your perfectly reasonable comment .. but an IT facility such as this could be expunged in a miili-second by IB/FT techies. There might be howls of protest, but possibly no worse than the ones when it was introduced?
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
I do believe it is worth a test - if that proves useless/pointless/annoying or whatever, IB/FT can just kill it. Instantly.
Will there be howls of protest here if I claim to be above playing Mucci games or if I play other Mucci games that others may or may not accept? What games are "helpful" and which are not? I'm sure different reasonable people have reasonably different ideas of that.
Dec 24, 2014, 3:22 pm
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As sad as it is posting on Christmas eve...
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by BA_pics, on Flickr
Some of the concerns mentioned here are already 'available' in other ways so not sure this would add any new element that all of a sudden negatively impacts the board. People that feel strongly about an issue will post more and also hit like or 'helpful' more than those that sit in the background or post once and then listen...
Anyway, just a though. Merry Christmas. ^
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by BA_pics, on Flickr
Some of the concerns mentioned here are already 'available' in other ways so not sure this would add any new element that all of a sudden negatively impacts the board. People that feel strongly about an issue will post more and also hit like or 'helpful' more than those that sit in the background or post once and then listen...
Anyway, just a though. Merry Christmas. ^
Dec 24, 2014, 4:00 pm
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as sad as it is posting on christmas eve...
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by ba_pics, on flickr
some of the concerns mentioned here are already 'available' in other ways so not sure this would add any new element that all of a sudden negatively impacts the board. People that feel strongly about an issue will post more and also hit like or 'helpful' more than those that sit in the background or post once and then listen...
Anyway, just a though. Merry christmas. ^
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by ba_pics, on flickr
some of the concerns mentioned here are already 'available' in other ways so not sure this would add any new element that all of a sudden negatively impacts the board. People that feel strongly about an issue will post more and also hit like or 'helpful' more than those that sit in the background or post once and then listen...
Anyway, just a though. Merry christmas. ^
^
Merry Christmas all.
Dec 24, 2014, 4:31 pm
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Happy Hannukah and Merry Christmas.
That counter (and its count) is not the product of a popularity contest. That is a difference.
This proposal is not designed to be a thread reporting feature for general member use. The tool is designed to be a member and post rating/reporting feature and not a thread reporting feature for general member use. Perhaps IB (the board owner) will get it to that point, but this proposal and the current technology readily available from IB is rather removed from what some may want this to be.
As sad as it is posting on Christmas eve...
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by BA_pics, on Flickr
Is having a bunch of clicks of a helpful button any different that having other reporting features on a thread such as this one?:
post count by BA_pics, on Flickr
This proposal is not designed to be a thread reporting feature for general member use. The tool is designed to be a member and post rating/reporting feature and not a thread reporting feature for general member use. Perhaps IB (the board owner) will get it to that point, but this proposal and the current technology readily available from IB is rather removed from what some may want this to be.
Dec 24, 2014, 6:38 pm
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Happy Christmas.
And in true social media style, I hereby Like my own post. ^