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Old Jan 20, 2015, 1:10 pm
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Have a look at the write downs that Delta posted in their 4Q earnings today.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/102350602
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Old Jan 20, 2015, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by shorthauldad
Errr ... what risk was that? LHR is a one-way bet, not a whiff of "free market" involved.
In that case, you undermine your own point. Shares would be so expensive, and dividends so diluted the returns would not be worthwhile.

"Errr", do you understand the concept of a free market?
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Old Jan 20, 2015, 10:24 pm
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Originally Posted by Flexible preferences
do you understand the concept of a free market?
Our company, Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited (formerly BAA) owns and runs London Heathrow Airport, Britain's aviation hub.

Heathrow Airport Holdings Limited is in turn owned by FGP Topco Limited, a consortium owned and led by the infrastructure specialist Ferrovial S.A. (25.00%), Qatar Holding LLC (20.00%), Caisse de dépôt et placement du Québec (12.62%), the Government of Singapore Investment Corporation (11.20%), Alinda Capital Partners (11.18%), China Investment Corporation (10.00%) and Universities Superannuation Scheme (USS) (10.00%)
"Free market"?
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Old Jan 22, 2015, 10:47 pm
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Originally Posted by NA-Flyer
IATA confirms that Jet fuel dropped 46.7% during the course of the year:

http://www.iata.org/publications/eco...-analysis.aspx

Com'n BA have some mercy and drop your YQ (probably the highest in the world)
No mercy needed -- BA said they would do as much with their public statement on 11 May 2004:

Due to the continuing fluctuations in the price of oil British Airways will review this surcharge on a regular basis with a view to adjusting it when appropriate."
Source: here
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Old Jan 22, 2015, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
But what if it's true? It's no good jet fuel being (say) $50 a gallon if your hedging arrangements mean that you have to continue paying $70 a gallon.
If it's true then customers should not pay a surcharge (that applies as a co-payment to award travel and reduces corporate discounts and travel agent commissions) that's based on BA's braindead financial gambling (incidentally, are they an airline or a hedge fund?).

After all, when fuel went up 46.7% they seem to have been increasing the surcharge at every step without delay. The same must apply on the way down.

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Old Jan 22, 2015, 10:54 pm
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VA eliminates all fuel surcharges; QF probably next

The pressure is starting to build. According to an article in the Sydney Morning Herald, Virgin Australia eliminates all fuel surcharges:
After months of criticism from consumer groups about airlines refusing to cut fuel surcharges despite a halving in oil prices since October, Virgin on Wednesday announced that it would restructure its fares for flights to the US, which would result in it incorporating fuel costs into the base fare.

Virgin previously increased fuel surcharges on flights to the US in August last year. It is the only route on which it imposes the fee.
The surcharges are mostly an expensive irritant for Qantas frequent flyer holders because they cannot use their points to pay for the surcharge. Unlike Qantas, Virgin has allowed passengers to use frequent-flyer points to pay for the fuel fee.

Travel agents have also long complained about a number of airlines' fuel fees, because they often don't earn a commission on the surcharge component of the total fare.
If you wonder what led to this decision:
The Australian Competition and Consumer Commission has also set up a team to investigate passenger surcharges.
What's the UK equivalent of the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission doing?
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Old Jan 23, 2015, 6:35 am
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Originally Posted by hillrider
After all, when fuel went up 46.7% they seem to have been increasing the surcharge at every step without delay.
I'm sure it must have seemed like that to those for whom BA's policy on this issue can do no right.
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Old Jan 23, 2015, 7:46 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
I'm sure it must have seemed like that to those for whom BA's policy on this issue can do no right.
No. If I recall correctly, BA's own data provided for the DOT complaint shows these YQ increases. I don't know about the "without delay" claim though.
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Old Jan 23, 2015, 8:20 am
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Originally Posted by rrgg
I don't know about the "without delay" claim though.
Precisely.
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Old Jan 26, 2015, 5:39 am
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AirAsia Scraps Fuel Surcharges

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSto...mmets-28478219
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Old Jan 26, 2015, 8:37 am
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It seems Emirates will follow soon:

http://www.thenational.ae/business/a...hief-executive
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 5:26 am
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The Hong Kong government has further reduced the fuel surcharges it allows in its jurisdiction: http://www.cad.gov.hk/english/fuel_surcharge.htm

The new rate approved from 01MAY15 to 31MAY14 is HKD 205 each way, for a total of USD 52.90 for a round trip HKD-LHR.

Compare with the fuel surcharge for the same flights in business class when purchased in LHR (which is the amount BA would charge Hong Kongers absent government regulation): GBP 490.20 329.00, or an astounding USD 490.20!

Last edited by hillrider; Apr 23, 2015 at 6:28 am Reason: corrected amount in GBP
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 6:06 am
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Originally Posted by hillrider
GBP 490.20, or an astounding USD 490.20!
Unless the exchange rate has gone completely haywire isn't GBP 490.20 more astounding than USD 490.20?
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Old Apr 23, 2015, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by SteveF
Unless the exchange rate has gone completely haywire isn't GBP 490.20 more astounding than USD 490.20?
Typo. GBP 329.00
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