"Russia considers airspace ban against European airlines"
Aug 5, 2014, 11:57 pm
#47
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Asian carriers aren't affected?
Does anything state that Asian carriers would be affected?
From the EU to NE Asia - OW flyers can use JL, *A has NH/OZ and ST has KE/Chinese airlines
From the EU to SE Asia - OW flyers can use CX/MH, *A can use TG/SQ/BR, and ST has GA/CI/Chinese airlines
Yes, it would be an inconvenience and would cost more due to tighter supplies, but is there a reason any of you wouldn't fly Asian carriers (except I understand if people are apprehensive about MH)? Not criticizing, just curious.
From the EU to NE Asia - OW flyers can use JL, *A has NH/OZ and ST has KE/Chinese airlines
From the EU to SE Asia - OW flyers can use CX/MH, *A can use TG/SQ/BR, and ST has GA/CI/Chinese airlines
Yes, it would be an inconvenience and would cost more due to tighter supplies, but is there a reason any of you wouldn't fly Asian carriers (except I understand if people are apprehensive about MH)? Not criticizing, just curious.
Aug 6, 2014, 12:13 am
#48
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This would affect HKG, PVG, PEK, NRT, BKK and SIN.
They would all need to re-route which would add time.
Since the 747-400 is not used and we are talking 777-300's and A380's for some of these routes they can indeed fly much further but there will be a huge increase in fuel to pay.......
FD.
They would all need to re-route which would add time.
Since the 747-400 is not used and we are talking 777-300's and A380's for some of these routes they can indeed fly much further but there will be a huge increase in fuel to pay.......
FD.
Aug 6, 2014, 1:10 am
#49
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If Russia did this it would go against the ICAO obligations they signed up to. Not sure they'd really want to go down that route.
Aug 6, 2014, 3:58 am
#50
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They didn't sign those obligations. Thus, they make hundreds of millions on overflight fees....this would be a case of cutting of their nose to spite their face.
Aug 6, 2014, 4:55 am
#51
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Sanctions are not only one way traffic from the West, the fees lost would be a lot but not in the 00's of millions. Non-EU carriers would not be affected.
Russia is only playing the "politics" game. plus ca change
Russia is only playing the "politics" game. plus ca change
Aug 6, 2014, 7:09 am
#52
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Aug 6, 2014, 8:02 am
#53
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Worth remembering that Aeroflot uses Sabre. If they were to go ahead with such a crazy plan, I'm sure the US government would intervene and ensure that Sabre and Travelport do not cooperate with Russian airlines. Spain would make sure Amadeus would be out as well.
That would mean extremely limited options for managing reservations and having all current revs blown up. Also I'm sure we all know how well implementing massive IT solutions instantly works. Imagine all that without any US or EU companies to help.
That would mean extremely limited options for managing reservations and having all current revs blown up. Also I'm sure we all know how well implementing massive IT solutions instantly works. Imagine all that without any US or EU companies to help.
Aug 6, 2014, 8:54 am
#54
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Why does anyone pay attention to anything Russian officials say when you know without any doubt that they are incapable of telling the truth?
Even if they were stupid enough to go through with this, the US/EU retaliation and economic impact on them would be disastrous so I hope they do it!
But seriously why would anyone listen to sociopathic fascist liars like Putin and the rest? FREE CRIMEA...FREE UKRAINE!
Even if they were stupid enough to go through with this, the US/EU retaliation and economic impact on them would be disastrous so I hope they do it!
But seriously why would anyone listen to sociopathic fascist liars like Putin and the rest? FREE CRIMEA...FREE UKRAINE!
Aug 7, 2014, 3:30 pm
#58
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The convention doesn't prohibit ATC fees, just as, I would assume, all states levy.
http://www.icao.int/secretariat/lega...Chicago_EN.pdf
Aug 7, 2014, 3:56 pm
#59
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Would this ban affect EU carrier flights to / from Russian airports? I have a flight from Fra to Led on LH in 4 weeks! ...just getting a little nervous (outbound I'm on TG ex Dme so that shouldn't be a problem)