Potential Ultra Long Routes 2015
Jun 19, 2014, 10:42 am
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Jun 19, 2014, 11:11 am
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Though I agree that such a prospect is far fetched.
Jun 21, 2014, 3:14 pm
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Jun 27, 2014, 3:28 am
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I guess another advantage of that is YVR has US pre-clearance, assuming people going to HNL are unloaded.
Jun 27, 2014, 3:37 am
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Terrible route. Nearly as bad as LA. Go via BKK, SIN, ICN, NRT
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lhr-syd...yd,lhr-bkk-syd
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lhr-syd...yd,lhr-bkk-syd
http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=lhr-syd...yd,lhr-lax-syd
Going via Perth adds just 4.5%, while LAX adds 22.4%. Plus brings all the hassles of US immigration. You could really make a snappy connection at Perth and get to wherever you wanted in Australia much more quickly!
For MEL, via PER adds just 1.8%, while LAX adds 27.4%
Jun 27, 2014, 4:38 am
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CGK has been mooted for a while, and i've got the IATA figures somewhere that show there are sufficient numbers of travellers on the route (which wouldn't be leisure).
There's a thread with reliable insiders saying it was on the tip of being announced - but maybe Garuda's announcement of 5 x 77W's weekly from LGW-CGK put them off (they subsequently rescheduled their SIN terminator which would have allowed a SIN-CGK-SIN tag on). BA were even confirmed in local papers.
Now Garuda have decided London cannot support 5 x weekly non-stop flights and pulled their non-stop services in favour of routing via AMS, I strongly believe CGK's Business Markets could offer a very strong case for a non-stop 787.
Downside would be perhaps the back of the plane? BA has a poor network of partners in SE Asia having cut back on MI/SQ, and the QF/3K/VF network shrinking, but a tactical partnership with GA on their PER/DPS/SUB routes may help with that.
I'm still struggling to see why CTU is a BA destination in comparison (ok, it's a 3 hour shorter flight), but perhaps the fact that Indonesia probably wouldn't offer any subsidies on slots / landing fees might not help.
There's a thread with reliable insiders saying it was on the tip of being announced - but maybe Garuda's announcement of 5 x 77W's weekly from LGW-CGK put them off (they subsequently rescheduled their SIN terminator which would have allowed a SIN-CGK-SIN tag on). BA were even confirmed in local papers.
Now Garuda have decided London cannot support 5 x weekly non-stop flights and pulled their non-stop services in favour of routing via AMS, I strongly believe CGK's Business Markets could offer a very strong case for a non-stop 787.
Downside would be perhaps the back of the plane? BA has a poor network of partners in SE Asia having cut back on MI/SQ, and the QF/3K/VF network shrinking, but a tactical partnership with GA on their PER/DPS/SUB routes may help with that.
I'm still struggling to see why CTU is a BA destination in comparison (ok, it's a 3 hour shorter flight), but perhaps the fact that Indonesia probably wouldn't offer any subsidies on slots / landing fees might not help.
CGK was indeed on the verge of being announced but as Garuda can't make London-Jakarta direct work they got their friends in the government to block BA flying LHR-SIN-CGK.
Jun 27, 2014, 5:48 am
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Jun 27, 2014, 5:56 am
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And it provides an interesting way to get between Amsterdam and London for as long as the tag is preserved ;-)
Jun 27, 2014, 8:15 am
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But for the 2nd point, yup, I believe you can now book their 1st class cabin for about £750 LGW-AMS-LGW, or a flat bed in J for £550
Give people a real reason to be upset with the Club Europe cabin 
Jun 27, 2014, 9:21 am
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I'm more interested in the €99 economy returns ;-)
The Netherlands has far greater ties to Indonesia than the UK has - making it the logical point of service in Europe. GA is also now codesharing on KLM to reach the rest of Europe. VFR routes are always likely to have lower factors in the premium cabins.
I have no personal experience of the route (yet) - but the loads anecdotally appear to be quite high...
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...ntum-leap.html
http://www.balidiscovery.com/message...ge.asp?Id=6114
Admittedly those reports are vague and speculative, but in the meanitme, the GA service has gone daily [from 4 times weekly] and less than a month ago went non-stop, and that GA is now in Skyteam, it likely appeals more than the KL stopping service to most travellers.
PS: I'd be very very interested to see those figures, can you share?
The Netherlands has far greater ties to Indonesia than the UK has - making it the logical point of service in Europe. GA is also now codesharing on KLM to reach the rest of Europe. VFR routes are always likely to have lower factors in the premium cabins.
I have no personal experience of the route (yet) - but the loads anecdotally appear to be quite high...
http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2...ntum-leap.html
http://www.balidiscovery.com/message...ge.asp?Id=6114
Admittedly those reports are vague and speculative, but in the meanitme, the GA service has gone daily [from 4 times weekly] and less than a month ago went non-stop, and that GA is now in Skyteam, it likely appeals more than the KL stopping service to most travellers.
PS: I'd be very very interested to see those figures, can you share?
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Jul 3, 2014, 6:57 am
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Chengdu flights cut from 5 to 3 a week for the winter season from 26 October (returning to 5 a week from 29 March).
Quite a big seasonal reduction. Where do they re-route the 787 then?
Quite a big seasonal reduction. Where do they re-route the 787 then?
Jul 3, 2014, 7:10 am
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