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If you wish to request availability for a specific flight, please state the date and origin/departure airport codes, not just the flight number.

Please also restrict requests to BA/oneworld flights - flights for other airlines may be removed to avoid cluttering the thread and taking it away from BAEC.


As of 15 Oct 2014 flightstats.com no longer displays flight availability.

Fare class availability can be queried in various ways*:

        * Please update wiki if you know of any others.
        ** Origin of data concealed


        What do the codes mean?
        Suppose we have a result as F1 A0 J9 C7 D0 RC IC W9 E9 T4 Y9 BC HC ...

        This means:
        There is 1 seat in the F bucket for sale
        There are 0 seats in the A and D bucket for sale, but you can join the waitlist in case seats get released later.
        There are at least 9 seats in the J, W, E and Y buckets.
        The R, I, B and H buckets are closed to waitlisting.

        There are two important things to note about how to interpret these numbers that many people don't understand as it is very counter intuitive:
        1) There is NO direct relation to the actual number of seats available on the specific flight. They only mean that the airline is willing to sell this many seats on that specific flight. The airline may intend to oversell seats or withhold seats from sale for many reasons.

        2) In the example above, the results show W9 E9 T4 (which are all WT+ buckets). This does not mean that there are 9+9+4=22 seats for sale. Interpret these numbers as "there are at least 9 seats for sale in WT+". There could really be anywhere between 9 and 22 seats for sale - we just can't tell from the numbers the system gives us. Therefore, the conservative approach of assuming that there are at least 9 seats for sale is usually the best one.

        What does the "C" mean?
        Closed to waitlisting.
        In the example above we have RC, IC, BC and HC. This is different to A0 and D0: The A and D buckets are "full" but you can apply to join their waitlists (if your fare permits waitlisting). With R, I, B and H you cannot even request a seat.

        The carrier will determine how to confirm your seat if it wishes. Sometimes this may happen immediately, other times only a few minutes before the flight's departure. The order of the waitlist is determined by the carrier privately, but your Executive Club status will push you towards the front of the queue. Many cheap fares do not allow waitlisting.

        Differences for non-BA airlines
        • Some carriers (those using Sabre such as AA) only show a maximum of 7 available seats (not 9). Others only show a maximum of 5.
        • Some carriers use "L" instead of "0" (e.g., CL DL YL) to indicate you may waitlist for the seat. This tends to happen when the entire flight is on a list basis.
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        Old Mar 23, 14, 8:23 am
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        Join Date: Apr 2012
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        Availability question

        I'm flying LHR JFK on 19/4 and I managed to upgrade with avios to CW
        Unfortunately, I haven't managed to upgrade on my way back.

        Can please anyone with access to expertflyer or anything similar can tell me about CW availabilities as I am desperate to upgrade?

        My flight back is BA0186 on the 26th of April 2014.

        Thanks
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        Old Mar 23, 14, 8:29 am
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        Old Mar 23, 14, 8:29 am
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        This may not seem helpful, but you have really painted yourself into a corner here. You booked flights with no upgrade availability and now your only hope is that BA will release some award inventory. This, however, may not be very correlated to the number of available seats in CW - BA may very well let the CW cabin go empty without releasing any award space.

        Also, with your return flight over a month away, CW could be empty now and full on the date of your flight. So any information you get now is pretty much useless.

        My suggestion; keep checking for upgrade availability every day up until the day of the flight. I wouldn't be surprised if CW opens up the day before the flight.
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        Old Mar 23, 14, 8:43 am
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        I couldn't really be flexible on my dates anyway, so I didn't have an option. My outbound upgrade was released only a week after booking the ticket. My mistake probably is that I booked my inbound flight on the dreamliner (haven't flown it before), which I can recon has a smalles CW cabin?

        Also dumb question, is there a way I can access the concorde room with my CX Gold card when flying CW on BA? I know that the "official" answer is no but, is there any other ways to get accesss?

        Thanks
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        Old Mar 23, 14, 8:47 am
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post

        is there a way I can access the concorde room with my CX Gold card when flying CW on BA? I know that the "official" answer is no but, is there any other ways to get accesss?
        There is absolutely no way of accessing the Concorde Room in your own right on your CX Gold Card when flying CW on BA, unless you flew to LON on BA First. The only lounge you are able to access in your own right is Galleries Club lounge. You will not be able to access the Galleries First lounge in your own right either. It is not even worth asking the lounge guardian as access will not be granted.

        The only way you could access either the Concorde Room or the Galleries First lounge is for you to be guested in by someone with a CCR card (for CCR) or OWE (for Galleries First) or flying BA First.
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        Old Mar 24, 14, 1:10 pm
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        Can anyone please check actual C availability on BA0186 EWR-LHR on the 26th of April 2014 ? BA.com shows only 5 seats left at the price of 2500 gbp.

        Thanks
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        Old Mar 24, 14, 1:16 pm
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post
        Can anyone please check actual C availability on BA0186 EWR-LHR on the 26th of April 2014 ? BA.com shows only 5 seats left at the price of 2500 gbp.
        9+ seats are currently available for sale in the C Cabin:

        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.5/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
        Code:
        EWR  New York Newark Liberty Intl NJ US [KEWR]
        LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
        SAT  26 Apr 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
        BA         188     EWR   21:05     LHR   08:50 +1  777      F9 A9 J9 C9 D9 R9 I9 W9 E9 T9 Y9 B8 H3 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0
        BA         186     EWR   23:00     LHR   10:45 +1  788      J9 C9 D9 R9 I7 W8 E8 T4 Y9 B9 H5 K3 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0

        Last edited by Prospero; Oct 30, 14 at 11:20 am Reason: Purge commercial link from KVS citation
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        Old Mar 25, 14, 5:32 am
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        Thanks
        Much appreciated
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        Old Mar 25, 14, 7:26 am
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post
        Can anyone please check actual C availability on BA0186 EWR-LHR on the 26th of April 2014 ? BA.com shows only 5 seats left at the price of 2500 gbp.
        Things may have moved on slightly since you posted, but to the UK market (given your reference to GBP) it's J9 C9 D9 R4 IC.

        R may well be the booking class that produces the figure that you saw - in which case if you repeat things now you'll see only 4 seats left at 2500.

        To the US market, it remains as posted by KVS.
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        Old Mar 25, 14, 3:28 pm
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        Ok , I'm more confused now!
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        Old Mar 25, 14, 6:19 pm
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        Originally Posted by DrHalxx View Post
        Ok , I'm more confused now!
        Short(er) answer: Different numbers are shown to different markets. When ba.com was showing you "only 5 seats available", it was accurate for the market whose numbers were being used and displayed.
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        Old Mar 26, 14, 11:29 am
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        Quick question- I am looking at DUB-BOS 5/26 on Aer Lingus (trying to use Avios), and under code U which is the Business Class award, for both flights they have that day, instead of a number it is a question mark. Does that mean I should call for availability? Last time I called BA to have them check, I got zero availability on EI around when I need to fly... Thanks!
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        Old Mar 28, 14, 9:48 am
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        Availability on BA284 tomorrow?

        Hey guys,

        Can anyone with access to KVS quickly put the availability of tomorrow's BA284 SFO-LHR here?

        I looked at flightstats but it doesn't seem as clear or detailed as KVS

        Thanks in advance
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        Old Mar 28, 14, 12:03 pm
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        Originally Posted by renwaldo View Post
        Hey guys,

        Can anyone with access to KVS quickly put the availability of tomorrow's BA284 SFO-LHR here?

        I looked at flightstats but it doesn't seem as clear or detailed as KVS

        Thanks in advance
        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.3/Diamond - Availability/FS/US]
        Code:
        SFO  San Francisco Intl CA US [KSFO]
        LHR  London Heathrow UK [EGLL]
        SAT  29 Mar 2014
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------------------
        BA         284     SFO   17:20     LHR   11:40     744      F1 A1 J1 C0 D0 R0 I0 W3 E0 T0 Y2 B2 H0 K0 M0 L0 V0 S0 N0 Q0 O0 G0

        Last edited by Prospero; Oct 30, 14 at 11:16 am Reason: Purge commercial link from KVS citation
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        Old Mar 28, 14, 12:08 pm
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        Originally Posted by Rhibert View Post
        Quick question- I am looking at DUB-BOS 5/26 on Aer Lingus (trying to use Avios), and under code U which is the Business Class award, for both flights they have that day, instead of a number it is a question mark.
        "?" means that whichever system you are using does not actually support U Class Availability.

        There are currently no Award Seats available on those flights:

        [KVS Availability Tool 7.3.5/Diamond - Awards/OneWorld/AU-QFA-MLT]
        Code:
        DUB  Dublin IE [EIDW]
        BOS  Boston Logan Intl MA US [KBOS]
        MON  26 May 2014 | 1 Seat
        
        Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
        ---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ---------------------
                                                                    No Award Availability
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