What happens to Avios / TPs / status upon the death of the account holder ?
Oct 27, 2013, 1:28 pm
#91
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Thank you UK1 for explaining the way the law works, as it originally seemed to me a non- legal person counter intuitive i.e I would have erroneously thought a company could set the rules of a scheme as they choose.
Certainly in my case, as a technical person, words such as "shall" have a very black and white meaning and sometimes I struggle with subjective terms like "reasonable" and "fair" and how the law interprets them.
Certainly in my case, as a technical person, words such as "shall" have a very black and white meaning and sometimes I struggle with subjective terms like "reasonable" and "fair" and how the law interprets them.
Oct 27, 2013, 1:34 pm
#92
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Thank you UK1 for explaining the way the law works, as it originally seemed to me a non- legal person counter intuitive i.e I would have erroneously thought a company could set the rules of a scheme as they choose.
Certainly in my case, as a technical person, words such as "shall" have a very black and white meaning and sometimes I struggle with subjective terms like "reasonable" and "fair" and how the law interprets them.
Certainly in my case, as a technical person, words such as "shall" have a very black and white meaning and sometimes I struggle with subjective terms like "reasonable" and "fair" and how the law interprets them.
Mar 11, 2014, 9:58 am
#93
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Deceased neighbour.
I have/had a neighbour who has sadly recently died....his wife asked me if she would be able to continue to use his many BA Avios. I couldn't answer as I don't know. I said not to call BA just yet and I would post the question here in the first instance.
Advice please...thanks.
Advice please...thanks.
Mar 11, 2014, 10:00 am
#94
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Sorry to hear about your neighbour's loss. Unfortunately, according to the terms and conditions, Avios die with the recipient:
3.12. Membership will terminate automatically...... upon the death of a Member, Avios Points, Tier Points and Lifetime Tier Points accumulated but unused at the time of death shall be cancelled.
If BA never find out that the recipient has died then.......
3.12. Membership will terminate automatically...... upon the death of a Member, Avios Points, Tier Points and Lifetime Tier Points accumulated but unused at the time of death shall be cancelled.
If BA never find out that the recipient has died then.......
just continue to use them. Phoning BA would not get the answer you would like to hear.
Mar 11, 2014, 10:09 am
#98
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I believe it is possible for the avios to be transferred if the executor/executrix contacts BA and provides a copy of the death certificate. Albeit that this is at variance with the stated terms.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ext-kin-5.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/briti...ext-kin-5.html
Mar 11, 2014, 10:14 am
#100
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I also believe that there are some well qualified folks around on this thread (uk1 for example) who have kindly advised about the legal position of this matter in the past.
Mar 11, 2014, 10:59 am
#102
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Thanks.
Thanks for your support. It turns out they do have a Household account including her minimal Avios.and while she doesn't know his login details, they are 'saved' on his PC, so at least access at present is OK. I was going to suggest that maybe she opens up her own Avios account and just moves them over, but then reading some of the replies she may be worrying unnecessarily, as it seems that all BA require is the death certificate etc. It would be a shame to 'lose' them as he had 1000's and with grown up children and grandchildren overseas, it would be good for her to be able to visit them.
Mar 11, 2014, 11:00 am
#103
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Mike (OP) unless you wish to be a pioneer and start to have a debate about the legals, the pragmatic thing is to establish access to the account (she has said " continue to use" implying she has had access) and as others have said form a household account with the wife and any other family members she desires to share the bounty with as family members. Nil Desporandum should ensue.
If this doesn't work, come back and we'll debate Plan B. It is kind of you to help your neighbour.
EDITED: My reply crossed with your post of the solution. Well done.