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Old May 30, 2013, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by lighting
Well said. To me it's a very logical and basic concept. Oh well.
No one is disputing your logic as being sound, simply disagreeing with you conclusion.

Surely it is perfectly acceptable and logical that given any set of circumstances, different people will think that different outcomes are the 'right' one?

That to me is a basic concept but to quote you

‘Oh well’
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Old May 30, 2013, 3:29 am
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Originally Posted by lizban
To be clear, if I don't suffer a loss I don't think that I should be compensated. The OP suffered a hypothetical loss i.e. had they wanted to use the IFE they couldn't, this loss didn't actualise (is that even a word?) in my mind and value set there is no compensation due
But you felt compelled to post a judgement on the OP's behaviour with an opinion he has made clear he hadn't sought. On a practical level, how exactly would you visulaise BA handle this?

Should the CC ignore the fact that a serious (for some) paid for facility hadn't been provided and not provide hassle-free facilities and procedure for compensating passengers? Would that improve customer service for the majority?

Or are you suggesting if they do, then the CC interrogate each customer on board along the lines of "You didn't have IFE. For those customers that would have used it if we had provided it we're offering compensation but not for those that wouldn't have used it. . So I'm going to ask you ... and I expect you to be completely honest and not to fib ..... if we had provided it ... would you have used it?"


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Old May 30, 2013, 3:38 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-

Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.

What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
In that situation I wouldn't complain and try to get some sort of compensation from BA, but if the crew proactively came round offering compensation to everyone in the cabin or if customer relations contacted me after the flight offering some sort of compensation, then yes I would take it.

So I wouldn't go out seeking compensation but I would take it if BA off there own bat offered it to me.
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Old May 30, 2013, 3:42 am
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Do people really think compensation should be based on use of the service rather than the ticket that was paid for?

"In the opinion of our fight crew you appeared to be asleep and thus unwilling/unable to avail yourself of this particular aspect of our service, so no compensation will be awarded to you on this occasion"
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Old May 30, 2013, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-

Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.

What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
The airline has been unable to provide a part of its advertised service offering ultimately. To my mind it shouldn't make any difference whether the passenger uses it or not - they no longer have a choice in the matter.

What the passenger does have is a choice to determine whether they have been inconvenienced or feels short-changed after something that has, after all, been paid for but not delivered. Some may care more or less than others. It looks like good proactive customer service to me if the airline acknowledges the issue and offers some form of redress. All passengers are affected, even if they may not have been inconvenienced by it.

No one, least of all the airline or any other third party, should be sitting in judgement on that for them.

In the exact situation described I wouldn't be bothered but that's for me to decide just as it is for the passenger in the next seat.
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Old May 30, 2013, 4:01 am
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Originally Posted by uk1
But you felt compelled to post a judgement on the OP's behaviour with an opinion he has made clear he hadn't sought. On a practical level, how exactly would you visulaise BA handle this?

Should the CC ignore the fact that a serious (for some) paid for facility hadn't been provided and not provide hassle-free facilities and procedure for compensating passengers? Would that improve customer service for the majority?

Or are you suggesting if they do, then the CC interrogate each customer on board along the lines of "You didn't have IFE. For those customers that would have used it if we had provided it we're offering compensation but not for those that wouldn't have used it. . So I'm going to ask you ... and I expect you to be completely honest and not to fib ..... if we had provided it ... would you have used it?"


Have you read my posts?

I said I am sure that the CSD handled it well. It was the best way to handle the situation. I would have simply poliely declined at this stage. On other threads there is an example of my handing back thousands of DC points so Ican say I wouldn't take it. If I had tried to use the IFE I would ahve been at the front of the AVIOS queue.

Maybe I should put it in big letters as people don't seem to understand or want to understand that I have no issue with the OP or others taking eth points, I'm chuffed for them.

I simply wouldn't.
(AS an aside are we honestly suggesting that when posting of FT we should not provide an opinion or have option on whether to provide an opinion directed entirely by whoever started a thread?)
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Old May 30, 2013, 4:49 am
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Originally Posted by lizban
Have you read my posts?

Maybe I should put it in big letters as people don't seem to understand or want to understand that I have no issue with the OP or others taking eth points, I'm chuffed for them.

I simply wouldn't.
(AS an aside are we honestly suggesting that when posting of FT we should not provide an opinion or have option on whether to provide an opinion directed entirely by whoever started a thread?)
Yes I have.... but have you read your own posts?

Your #6 opening post gave the very clear impression that you fully understood the OP's position - he had made it very clear - but that you were attacking him for doing so.

There is a difference between offering an opinion and attacking someone else for there's isn't there?
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Old May 30, 2013, 5:05 am
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Originally Posted by uk1
Yes I have.... but have you read your own posts?

Your #6 opening post gave the very clear impression that you fully understood the OP's position - he had made it very clear - but that you were attacking him for doing so.

There is a difference between offering an opinion and attacking someone else for there's isn't there?
post 6 is a question - but IF that is seen as an attack (which it's not) then I'm sure my subsequent 'chuffedness' for him/her clarifies the position.
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Old May 30, 2013, 5:20 am
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Originally Posted by lizban
post 6 is a question - but IF that is seen as an attack (which it's not) then I'm sure my subsequent 'chuffedness' for him/her clarifies the position.
As others have said .... ah well ....
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Old May 30, 2013, 7:19 am
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Originally Posted by UncleDude
Just arrived at my Hotel and there is a sign apologising for "The Full Car ParK"

What compensation can I expect ?

Oh by the way I arrived by Taxi but might have wanted to use the Car Park.

Incident Sound Familier.
I've never booked a hotel room in my life expecting a car park space to be 100% included in my room booking at said hotel. How odd.
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Old May 30, 2013, 7:21 am
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Originally Posted by Globaliser
I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-

Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.

What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
I'm sorry, this is getting ridiculous.

I think he's 100% due compensation as the ticket he bought included food. It makes no difference at all if he chooses to eat all the food or none of it.
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Old May 30, 2013, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by lizban
No moral high ground whatsoever. I (think) I've made it clear I'm happy for the OP to take his/her points - in the same boat I wouldn't. DO I think any less of someone who would take the compensation? Of course not, I'm pleased for them.

To be clear, if I don't suffer a loss I don't think that I should be compensated. The OP suffered a hypothetical loss i.e. had they wanted to use the IFE they couldn't, this loss didn't actualise (is that even a word?) in my mind and value set there is no compensation due.

BA (in the form of the CSD), the OP and others think there is.

Doesn't make it wrong that I'd politely decline the offer.
Now you are merely back tracking from your original post on this subject;

Am I understanding this correctly?

You want compensating for somthing that you didn't use, had no intention of using but didn't work?

Could you explain to me what loss you are trying to be compensated for?


The above post clearly shows a person who doesn't think the OP is entitled to claim compensation as you questioned what he was being compensated for.
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Old May 30, 2013, 9:14 am
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Originally Posted by Aloxford
When this happened to me en route to Johannesburg in F I was offered £100 in on-board duty free vouchers or some Avios. The choice was on the compensation form given to all passengers in the cabin.
Same here when it happened on MIA-LHR last year in old F. I took the vouchers as I didn't have an Avios account. It seemed the CSD was very well prepared for such a scenario rather than it being a once-off.
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Old May 30, 2013, 9:21 am
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Originally Posted by lighting
Now you are merely back tracking from your original post on this subject;

Am I understanding this correctly?

You want compensating for somthing that you didn't use, had no intention of using but didn't work?

Could you explain to me what loss you are trying to be compensated for?


The above post clearly shows a person who doesn't think the OP is entitled to claim compensation as you questioned what he was being compensated for.
Oh dear.

If I was the OP would I accept compensation - No
Do I think it should be offered - yes as it's simply not practicable for the csd determine who tried to use IFE and who didn't
Do I think it's due - no
Do I think that OP is doing anything wrong - No of course not

This has got crazy - partially my fault accepted!

Feel free to carry on I shall leave it there.
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Old May 30, 2013, 9:23 am
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Originally Posted by lighting
I'm sorry, this is getting ridiculous.

I think he's 100% due compensation as the ticket he bought included food. It makes no difference at all if he chooses to eat all the food or none of it.
So, if I understand you correctly:-
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I think you're right. This is getting ridiculous.
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