No IFE in F tatl
#46
Join Date: Jun 2008
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No one is disputing your logic as being sound, simply disagreeing with you conclusion.
Surely it is perfectly acceptable and logical that given any set of circumstances, different people will think that different outcomes are the 'right' one?
That to me is a basic concept but to quote you
‘Oh well’
Surely it is perfectly acceptable and logical that given any set of circumstances, different people will think that different outcomes are the 'right' one?
That to me is a basic concept but to quote you
‘Oh well’
#47
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To be clear, if I don't suffer a loss I don't think that I should be compensated. The OP suffered a hypothetical loss i.e. had they wanted to use the IFE they couldn't, this loss didn't actualise (is that even a word?) in my mind and value set there is no compensation due
Should the CC ignore the fact that a serious (for some) paid for facility hadn't been provided and not provide hassle-free facilities and procedure for compensating passengers? Would that improve customer service for the majority?
Or are you suggesting if they do, then the CC interrogate each customer on board along the lines of "You didn't have IFE. For those customers that would have used it if we had provided it we're offering compensation but not for those that wouldn't have used it. . So I'm going to ask you ... and I expect you to be completely honest and not to fib ..... if we had provided it ... would you have used it?"
#48
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I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
So I wouldn't go out seeking compensation but I would take it if BA off there own bat offered it to me.
#49
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Do people really think compensation should be based on use of the service rather than the ticket that was paid for?
"In the opinion of our fight crew you appeared to be asleep and thus unwilling/unable to avail yourself of this particular aspect of our service, so no compensation will be awarded to you on this occasion"
"In the opinion of our fight crew you appeared to be asleep and thus unwilling/unable to avail yourself of this particular aspect of our service, so no compensation will be awarded to you on this occasion"
#50
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I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
What the passenger does have is a choice to determine whether they have been inconvenienced or feels short-changed after something that has, after all, been paid for but not delivered. Some may care more or less than others. It looks like good proactive customer service to me if the airline acknowledges the issue and offers some form of redress. All passengers are affected, even if they may not have been inconvenienced by it.
No one, least of all the airline or any other third party, should be sitting in judgement on that for them.
In the exact situation described I wouldn't be bothered but that's for me to decide just as it is for the passenger in the next seat.
#51
Join Date: Jun 2008
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But you felt compelled to post a judgement on the OP's behaviour with an opinion he has made clear he hadn't sought. On a practical level, how exactly would you visulaise BA handle this?
Should the CC ignore the fact that a serious (for some) paid for facility hadn't been provided and not provide hassle-free facilities and procedure for compensating passengers? Would that improve customer service for the majority?
Or are you suggesting if they do, then the CC interrogate each customer on board along the lines of "You didn't have IFE. For those customers that would have used it if we had provided it we're offering compensation but not for those that wouldn't have used it. . So I'm going to ask you ... and I expect you to be completely honest and not to fib ..... if we had provided it ... would you have used it?"
Should the CC ignore the fact that a serious (for some) paid for facility hadn't been provided and not provide hassle-free facilities and procedure for compensating passengers? Would that improve customer service for the majority?
Or are you suggesting if they do, then the CC interrogate each customer on board along the lines of "You didn't have IFE. For those customers that would have used it if we had provided it we're offering compensation but not for those that wouldn't have used it. . So I'm going to ask you ... and I expect you to be completely honest and not to fib ..... if we had provided it ... would you have used it?"
I said I am sure that the CSD handled it well. It was the best way to handle the situation. I would have simply poliely declined at this stage. On other threads there is an example of my handing back thousands of DC points so Ican say I wouldn't take it. If I had tried to use the IFE I would ahve been at the front of the AVIOS queue.
Maybe I should put it in big letters as people don't seem to understand or want to understand that I have no issue with the OP or others taking eth points, I'm chuffed for them.
I simply wouldn't.
(AS an aside are we honestly suggesting that when posting of FT we should not provide an opinion or have option on whether to provide an opinion directed entirely by whoever started a thread?)
#52
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Have you read my posts?
Maybe I should put it in big letters as people don't seem to understand or want to understand that I have no issue with the OP or others taking eth points, I'm chuffed for them.
I simply wouldn't.
(AS an aside are we honestly suggesting that when posting of FT we should not provide an opinion or have option on whether to provide an opinion directed entirely by whoever started a thread?)
Maybe I should put it in big letters as people don't seem to understand or want to understand that I have no issue with the OP or others taking eth points, I'm chuffed for them.
I simply wouldn't.
(AS an aside are we honestly suggesting that when posting of FT we should not provide an opinion or have option on whether to provide an opinion directed entirely by whoever started a thread?)
Your #6 opening post gave the very clear impression that you fully understood the OP's position - he had made it very clear - but that you were attacking him for doing so.
There is a difference between offering an opinion and attacking someone else for there's isn't there?
#53
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Yes I have.... but have you read your own posts?
Your #6 opening post gave the very clear impression that you fully understood the OP's position - he had made it very clear - but that you were attacking him for doing so.
There is a difference between offering an opinion and attacking someone else for there's isn't there?
Your #6 opening post gave the very clear impression that you fully understood the OP's position - he had made it very clear - but that you were attacking him for doing so.
There is a difference between offering an opinion and attacking someone else for there's isn't there?
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#55
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I've never booked a hotel room in my life expecting a car park space to be 100% included in my room booking at said hotel. How odd.
#56
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I think a better analogy with the OP's situation is this:-
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
Passenger boards, not hungry, doesn't want anything to eat, falls asleep and wakes up at the end of the flight. While he was asleep, the crew discover that the food was actually spoiled / contaminated and couldn't be served, so nobody got anything to eat.
What would you think about the merit of this particular passenger claiming compensation?
I think he's 100% due compensation as the ticket he bought included food. It makes no difference at all if he chooses to eat all the food or none of it.
#57
Join Date: Mar 2012
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No moral high ground whatsoever. I (think) I've made it clear I'm happy for the OP to take his/her points - in the same boat I wouldn't. DO I think any less of someone who would take the compensation? Of course not, I'm pleased for them.
To be clear, if I don't suffer a loss I don't think that I should be compensated. The OP suffered a hypothetical loss i.e. had they wanted to use the IFE they couldn't, this loss didn't actualise (is that even a word?) in my mind and value set there is no compensation due.
BA (in the form of the CSD), the OP and others think there is.
Doesn't make it wrong that I'd politely decline the offer.
To be clear, if I don't suffer a loss I don't think that I should be compensated. The OP suffered a hypothetical loss i.e. had they wanted to use the IFE they couldn't, this loss didn't actualise (is that even a word?) in my mind and value set there is no compensation due.
BA (in the form of the CSD), the OP and others think there is.
Doesn't make it wrong that I'd politely decline the offer.
Am I understanding this correctly?
You want compensating for somthing that you didn't use, had no intention of using but didn't work?
Could you explain to me what loss you are trying to be compensated for?
The above post clearly shows a person who doesn't think the OP is entitled to claim compensation as you questioned what he was being compensated for.
#58
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Same here when it happened on MIA-LHR last year in old F. I took the vouchers as I didn't have an Avios account. It seemed the CSD was very well prepared for such a scenario rather than it being a once-off.
#59
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Now you are merely back tracking from your original post on this subject;
Am I understanding this correctly?
You want compensating for somthing that you didn't use, had no intention of using but didn't work?
Could you explain to me what loss you are trying to be compensated for?
The above post clearly shows a person who doesn't think the OP is entitled to claim compensation as you questioned what he was being compensated for.
Am I understanding this correctly?
You want compensating for somthing that you didn't use, had no intention of using but didn't work?
Could you explain to me what loss you are trying to be compensated for?
The above post clearly shows a person who doesn't think the OP is entitled to claim compensation as you questioned what he was being compensated for.
If I was the OP would I accept compensation - No
Do I think it should be offered - yes as it's simply not practicable for the csd determine who tried to use IFE and who didn't
Do I think it's due - no
Do I think that OP is doing anything wrong - No of course not
This has got crazy - partially my fault accepted!
Feel free to carry on I shall leave it there.
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