Baggage allowance for one way flight LHR-SIN-PER (first leg BA, second QF)
Mar 13, 2013, 4:02 pm
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Baggage allowance for one way flight LHR-SIN-PER (first leg BA, second QF)
Hi all
I'm hoping you knowledgeable people can give me some advice on the following...
My partner and I are emigrating to Australia and we're planning on booking a one-way flight LHR-PER, taking BA11 LHR-SIN and then connecting on (on the same day) to BA7378 SIN-PER. The first flight is operated by BA, the second by QF. We'll be in WT.
My question is regarding my baggage allowance. As a silver BAEC member I understand that on BA flights I am entitled to take 2 bags in WT, and the heavy bag allowance on each of those bags will be waived, meaning that I can take 2 x 32kg = 64kg, and the same allowance applies to others on my booking. BA have confirmed that that's the case for the first (BA metal) leg.
Where things don't seem to be so clear is on the second flight, which is QF metal but a BA flight number.
I thought - from reading up on the IATA rules on baggage interlining and "most significant carrier" - that my 2 x 32kg allowance would carry on to the second, QF operated flight SIN-PER, and therefore QF wouldn't charge me any more even though their own allowance is not so generous.
However, the email I've got back from BA in response to my query says:
"Thank you for your email. British Airways Executive Club Silver can check in two bags weighing of 32kg per bag without paying the heavy bag charge in all cabins for British Airways flights, on all routes, unless the cabin allowance is greater (except hand baggage only fares). This applies to all customers travelling on the same booking. However, if your booking includes travel with British Airways and another airline, the British Airways baggage allowance may be more generous and you could be charged for extra baggage by the other airline. To enquire whether Qantas will allow the same baggage allowance on their flights, you will need to call Qantas directly".
Is that correct? I don't understand how that fits with the IATA ruling seeing as BA is my most significant carrier.
Does it matter that the allowance that BA is giving me is due to my FF status rather than my cabin of travel - in other words, does that affect the IATA interlining rules at all?
Obviously, an extra bag at 32kg for both of us would make a huge difference (we'll be living on what we can take on the plane for at least 6 weeks until our stuff arrives from the UK), but I can't afford to get stung for hundreds of pounds if Qantas decides that I need to pay more....I'm therefore anxious to get something in an email from BA confirming that my 2 bag allowance extends on to the QF operated flight if that is indeed the case.
Of course I may just have misinterpreted the rules (or it's the case that my BA allowance is on status rather than cabin that means I'm not eligible for the extra allowance on the entire journey) but I would be very grateful for any pointers on this so that I know whether or not I should be fighting for a positive email from BA on this to present at the check in desk!
Many thanks,
J
I'm hoping you knowledgeable people can give me some advice on the following...
My partner and I are emigrating to Australia and we're planning on booking a one-way flight LHR-PER, taking BA11 LHR-SIN and then connecting on (on the same day) to BA7378 SIN-PER. The first flight is operated by BA, the second by QF. We'll be in WT.
My question is regarding my baggage allowance. As a silver BAEC member I understand that on BA flights I am entitled to take 2 bags in WT, and the heavy bag allowance on each of those bags will be waived, meaning that I can take 2 x 32kg = 64kg, and the same allowance applies to others on my booking. BA have confirmed that that's the case for the first (BA metal) leg.
Where things don't seem to be so clear is on the second flight, which is QF metal but a BA flight number.
I thought - from reading up on the IATA rules on baggage interlining and "most significant carrier" - that my 2 x 32kg allowance would carry on to the second, QF operated flight SIN-PER, and therefore QF wouldn't charge me any more even though their own allowance is not so generous.
However, the email I've got back from BA in response to my query says:
"Thank you for your email. British Airways Executive Club Silver can check in two bags weighing of 32kg per bag without paying the heavy bag charge in all cabins for British Airways flights, on all routes, unless the cabin allowance is greater (except hand baggage only fares). This applies to all customers travelling on the same booking. However, if your booking includes travel with British Airways and another airline, the British Airways baggage allowance may be more generous and you could be charged for extra baggage by the other airline. To enquire whether Qantas will allow the same baggage allowance on their flights, you will need to call Qantas directly".
Is that correct? I don't understand how that fits with the IATA ruling seeing as BA is my most significant carrier.
Does it matter that the allowance that BA is giving me is due to my FF status rather than my cabin of travel - in other words, does that affect the IATA interlining rules at all?
Obviously, an extra bag at 32kg for both of us would make a huge difference (we'll be living on what we can take on the plane for at least 6 weeks until our stuff arrives from the UK), but I can't afford to get stung for hundreds of pounds if Qantas decides that I need to pay more....I'm therefore anxious to get something in an email from BA confirming that my 2 bag allowance extends on to the QF operated flight if that is indeed the case.
Of course I may just have misinterpreted the rules (or it's the case that my BA allowance is on status rather than cabin that means I'm not eligible for the extra allowance on the entire journey) but I would be very grateful for any pointers on this so that I know whether or not I should be fighting for a positive email from BA on this to present at the check in desk!
Many thanks,
J
Mar 13, 2013, 4:24 pm
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Hi all
I'm hoping you knowledgeable people can give me some advice on the following...
My partner and I are emigrating to Australia and we're planning on booking a one-way flight LHR-PER, taking BA11 LHR-SIN and then connecting on (on the same day) to BA7378 SIN-PER. The first flight is operated by BA, the second by QF. We'll be in WT.
My question is regarding my baggage allowance. As a silver BAEC member I understand that on BA flights I am entitled to take 2 bags in WT, and the heavy bag allowance on each of those bags will be waived, meaning that I can take 2 x 32kg = 64kg, and the same allowance applies to others on my booking. BA have confirmed that that's the case for the first (BA metal) leg.
Where things don't seem to be so clear is on the second flight, which is QF metal but a BA flight number.
I thought - from reading up on the IATA rules on baggage interlining and "most significant carrier" - that my 2 x 32kg allowance would carry on to the second, QF operated flight SIN-PER, and therefore QF wouldn't charge me any more even though their own allowance is not so generous.
However, the email I've got back from BA in response to my query says:
"Thank you for your email. British Airways Executive Club Silver can check in two bags weighing of 32kg per bag without paying the heavy bag charge in all cabins for British Airways flights, on all routes, unless the cabin allowance is greater (except hand baggage only fares). This applies to all customers travelling on the same booking. However, if your booking includes travel with British Airways and another airline, the British Airways baggage allowance may be more generous and you could be charged for extra baggage by the other airline. To enquire whether Qantas will allow the same baggage allowance on their flights, you will need to call Qantas directly".
Is that correct? I don't understand how that fits with the IATA ruling seeing as BA is my most significant carrier.
Does it matter that the allowance that BA is giving me is due to my FF status rather than my cabin of travel - in other words, does that affect the IATA interlining rules at all?
Obviously, an extra bag at 32kg for both of us would make a huge difference (we'll be living on what we can take on the plane for at least 6 weeks until our stuff arrives from the UK), but I can't afford to get stung for hundreds of pounds if Qantas decides that I need to pay more....I'm therefore anxious to get something in an email from BA confirming that my 2 bag allowance extends on to the QF operated flight if that is indeed the case.
Of course I may just have misinterpreted the rules (or it's the case that my BA allowance is on status rather than cabin that means I'm not eligible for the extra allowance on the entire journey) but I would be very grateful for any pointers on this so that I know whether or not I should be fighting for a positive email from BA on this to present at the check in desk!
Many thanks,
J
I'm hoping you knowledgeable people can give me some advice on the following...
My partner and I are emigrating to Australia and we're planning on booking a one-way flight LHR-PER, taking BA11 LHR-SIN and then connecting on (on the same day) to BA7378 SIN-PER. The first flight is operated by BA, the second by QF. We'll be in WT.
My question is regarding my baggage allowance. As a silver BAEC member I understand that on BA flights I am entitled to take 2 bags in WT, and the heavy bag allowance on each of those bags will be waived, meaning that I can take 2 x 32kg = 64kg, and the same allowance applies to others on my booking. BA have confirmed that that's the case for the first (BA metal) leg.
Where things don't seem to be so clear is on the second flight, which is QF metal but a BA flight number.
I thought - from reading up on the IATA rules on baggage interlining and "most significant carrier" - that my 2 x 32kg allowance would carry on to the second, QF operated flight SIN-PER, and therefore QF wouldn't charge me any more even though their own allowance is not so generous.
However, the email I've got back from BA in response to my query says:
"Thank you for your email. British Airways Executive Club Silver can check in two bags weighing of 32kg per bag without paying the heavy bag charge in all cabins for British Airways flights, on all routes, unless the cabin allowance is greater (except hand baggage only fares). This applies to all customers travelling on the same booking. However, if your booking includes travel with British Airways and another airline, the British Airways baggage allowance may be more generous and you could be charged for extra baggage by the other airline. To enquire whether Qantas will allow the same baggage allowance on their flights, you will need to call Qantas directly".
Is that correct? I don't understand how that fits with the IATA ruling seeing as BA is my most significant carrier.
Does it matter that the allowance that BA is giving me is due to my FF status rather than my cabin of travel - in other words, does that affect the IATA interlining rules at all?
Obviously, an extra bag at 32kg for both of us would make a huge difference (we'll be living on what we can take on the plane for at least 6 weeks until our stuff arrives from the UK), but I can't afford to get stung for hundreds of pounds if Qantas decides that I need to pay more....I'm therefore anxious to get something in an email from BA confirming that my 2 bag allowance extends on to the QF operated flight if that is indeed the case.
Of course I may just have misinterpreted the rules (or it's the case that my BA allowance is on status rather than cabin that means I'm not eligible for the extra allowance on the entire journey) but I would be very grateful for any pointers on this so that I know whether or not I should be fighting for a positive email from BA on this to present at the check in desk!
Many thanks,
J
If it is one ticket, then I believe the BA rules apply to the entire flight. However, if you have 2 separate tickets, the rules of each airline applies to its individual flight segment.
I had a connecting flight from BA to flybe (I think that's what's it's called). It was booked as one ticket on BA with a BA codeshare number on the flybe. Even though flybe charges ET for all luggage, I was given my Silver allowance free because it all was one ticket AND booked as a BA flight.
Mar 13, 2013, 4:34 pm
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Your ticketed allowance is 1 Piece which is what counts towards the allowance on Qantas. BA allows you to take an additional piece on BA flights, but that is not part, iirc, of the ticketed allowance
The IATA rule does apply if it is a through ticket and so you would be entitled , if my understanding is correct, to 1 piece on the Qantas flight
The IATA rule does apply if it is a through ticket and so you would be entitled , if my understanding is correct, to 1 piece on the Qantas flight
Mar 14, 2013, 3:35 am
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Thanks, both. I haven't actually booked this yet (if I'm going to be limited for 1 x 23kg for the QF leg I'll look at non-OW carriers) - but if I do book it, it would be on ba.com, so...I *think* (am I right?) it would be on one ticket - when I enter in LON to PER the BA site gives me the option of BA 11 then BA 7378 and gives a combined price for both flights as one journey.
Doesn't seem particularly clear to me what the situation is still - travelinfoo's experience is what I had hoped would happen, but Dave's point about the major issue being the "ticketed allowance" suggests I would only get one piece on the QF leg...so essentially only one piece all the way London to Perth, as getting two pieces as far as Singapore won't be of any use - not really an option to ditch a suitcase half way to Oz! :-)
Doesn't seem particularly clear to me what the situation is still - travelinfoo's experience is what I had hoped would happen, but Dave's point about the major issue being the "ticketed allowance" suggests I would only get one piece on the QF leg...so essentially only one piece all the way London to Perth, as getting two pieces as far as Singapore won't be of any use - not really an option to ditch a suitcase half way to Oz! :-)
Mar 14, 2013, 4:03 am
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I would only rely on the 1 piece being permitted since that is the ticketed allowance which will carry across to Qantas. If you are emigrating, you might like to check whether QF still offers an immigration fare which has an extra 10Kg allowance over QF's standard allowance . For travel after 31 March, QF's base allowance is 30Kg which would give you a 40Kg allowance
Mar 14, 2013, 7:06 am
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What are the practicalities here?
BA will check the bags through to PER (OW/OW Connection, single ticket) - you wouldn't see them again until you arrive at your destination. Have BA the means to charge excess on behalf of QF at LHR?
Otherwise, I can't think of a likely scenario for you being charged for that second leg.
Regards,
BD
BA will check the bags through to PER (OW/OW Connection, single ticket) - you wouldn't see them again until you arrive at your destination. Have BA the means to charge excess on behalf of QF at LHR?
Otherwise, I can't think of a likely scenario for you being charged for that second leg.
Regards,
BD
Mar 14, 2013, 7:53 am
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Welcome JJUK
BA will check the bags through to PER (OW/OW Connection, single ticket) - you wouldn't see them again until you arrive at your destination. Have BA the means to charge excess on behalf of QF at LHR?
Otherwise, I can't think of a likely scenario for you being charged for that second leg.
Otherwise, I can't think of a likely scenario for you being charged for that second leg.
Welcome, however, JJUK. And welcome to the BAEC forum, and I hope this trip is not the end of your association with BA. It would be good to see you post on here, since we aim to welcome new visitors here. Have a good trip down under.
Mar 14, 2013, 9:58 am
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Your post is near enough exactly the same as I will be doing at the end of Aug/ start of Sept, the only difference is we will have a UK domestic leg on BA before getting to LHR.
From what I have found out this is exactly what happens, I also believe that on my UK domestic leg I will get the luggage allowance which applies to the LHR-SIN leg which is why we are looking a J flight 3 x 32kg per person 
For the last 3 months of your stay in the UK you can claim the vat back from any purchases that you take on the plane with you if you have shopped using the 'Tax Free Shopping Scheme'.
You need to be leaving for more than 12 months and when shopping have filled in the right paperwork/ shown passport with visa etc.
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document
For the last 3 months of your stay in the UK you can claim the vat back from any purchases that you take on the plane with you if you have shopped using the 'Tax Free Shopping Scheme'.
You need to be leaving for more than 12 months and when shopping have filled in the right paperwork/ shown passport with visa etc.
http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document
Mar 14, 2013, 12:07 pm
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Seems quite a gamble to risk paying nigh on double the fare ( looking at LHR-PER seems to be GBP450 (fare and fines) plus GBP150 in taxes) and , if it was me, would be inclined to find an airline that flies to Perth whose allowances meet the needs
The OP may be ok and get away with it if BA decides to just check it through from London without charging ( and wouldn't be that surprised if the OP did get away with no additional fees ) but ay least there will be no justification for a rant about being charged the price of the fare in excess fees if does get charged
Last edited by Dave Noble; Mar 14, 2013 at 12:25 pm
Mar 14, 2013, 12:15 pm
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Your post is near enough exactly the same as I will be doing at the end of Aug/ start of Sept, the only difference is we will have a UK domestic leg on BA before getting to LHR.
From what I have found out this is exactly what happens, I also believe that on my UK domestic leg I will get the luggage allowance which applies to the LHR-SIN leg which is why we are looking a J flight 3 x 32kg per person
From what I have found out this is exactly what happens, I also believe that on my UK domestic leg I will get the luggage allowance which applies to the LHR-SIN leg which is why we are looking a J flight 3 x 32kg per person
For business class travel there is a 3 piece ticketed allowance. If flying BA to Asia and then connecting to Qantas to Australia on a single ticket, then the ticketed allowance will be 3 pieces for the whole journey
This is very different to the OP who is in economy which offers a 1 piece ticketed allowance and then hoping for the extra allowance offered on BA flights to BA Silver members to pass across to Qantas
Mar 14, 2013, 1:03 pm
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I will shortly be flying LHR-SIN-BNE, in WT+ on BA15 and then PE on BA7352 (which is QF52).
MMB shows me:
2 x 23kg for BA15
and
"2 bags (weight restrictions apply)" for BA7352 a.k.a. QF52
MMB may or may not be a source of reliable info
However, you could always book, and if MMB shows what you expect/want for luggage allowances for the QF metal leg, print it out and take it to the airport with you. If not, cancel within 24h (?)
MMB shows me:
2 x 23kg for BA15
and
"2 bags (weight restrictions apply)" for BA7352 a.k.a. QF52
MMB may or may not be a source of reliable info
However, you could always book, and if MMB shows what you expect/want for luggage allowances for the QF metal leg, print it out and take it to the airport with you. If not, cancel within 24h (?)
Mar 14, 2013, 1:08 pm
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Mar 14, 2013, 1:12 pm
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2 bags is the standard ticketed allowance for World Traveller Plus ( as per http://www.britishairways.com/travel.../public/en_gb# )
...but it's the fact that description of the allowance does differ between the sectors that I thought was worth noting. MMB is not just showing the standard "BA WTP" baggage allowance for the QF sector.
Mar 14, 2013, 1:35 pm
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The issue that the OP has is that the OP is hoping to use a silver benefit that applies to BA flights only on the Qantas one and, as noted in your post, that extra BA allowance does not show in the ticketed allowances
Seems an expensive gamble to me