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Signed,
One of the 97%

Bloomsbury

I'm not going to squabble and certainly didn't state anything as fact. I just think it's obvious that by saying 'our routes', BA is referring to routes that BA themselves operates rather than Oneworld. BA tends to use the word 'partners' a lot when talking about things that include other Oneworld airlines.

Perhaps BA needs to do a better job at displaying what's BA and what's Oneworld. One would imagine that had Royal Jordanian said 'On 97% of our routes...' there wouldn't have been any confusion, simply because they don't have as much Oneworld integration on their website.

ocdb8r

Really? Because the tone of your post certainly seemed authoritative and spoke on behalf of the "airline's".

How exactly is it obvious when in EVERY other location on BA's website, reference to "routes" and "our" refers to connections, codeshares and destinations not served by BA?

Regardless, confine it solely to BA. CLEARLY the definition of "routes" includes connections (as evidenced by the OneWorld Map which BA points us to to learn search their "routes") - plenty of permutations (certainly more than 3%) of BA operated routes have increased in miles due to pricing by each sector.

crazyMRer

How many BA routes can I fly non-stop from BOS? 1
How many BA routes can I fly BA to from BOS? All of them, via London

Is everyone who does not live in London only supposed to choose BA if they are going to London?

Raffles

The good news, of course, is that if you live in Boston then 100% of the BA routes from your city have REDUCED in Avios needed!

Cap'n Benj

NOT TO HKG WITH CX THOUGH!!!!

*RAGES*

ColdWalker

I believe it's defined in the 'our routes' section of the website where there is a timetable of BA routes.

That said, I do understand that people feel misled by the statement. But the point has been made so many times on the forum that o say its getting tiresome is a massive understatement! If people want to protest, want BA to take note of their concerns, they have every right. But that doesn't mean they can take their frustration out on users of BAFT By splatter posting the forum - we didn't say 97% or invent Avios! Flood BA with emails, decry BA from Speakers Corner, burn your Avios and never fly BA again - I wouldn't blame you. But please don't spoil BAFT by making it your own personal soap box

oxmatt

yawn...

Mountain Trader

A reminder-while my OP mentioned in passing the 97% statement, the thread was intended to probe the new Avios system for bookings and inform others about what can be done and at what price.

In addition to telling us how you feel and what you think, does anyone care to contribute something they know?

HIDDY

I'm 97% sure it was more of a disguised rant than a tell us what you can do with your Avios thread.

Once again you're comparing what was once a very favourable redemption to what you can get today. I see little point in continuing with these "what I used to get" type of threads. Think more positively.

Mountain Trader

I understand your decision to not continue posting here, and trust that you'll stick to your decision.

Cap'n Benj

He's right though, its been done to death but in order to actually add some value to this thread here you go

Nonstop flights:
Many itineraries are now way cheaper than before:
Miami-Cancun, was 17,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Miami-Grand Cayman, was 17,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Miami-Key West, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Miami-Montego Bay, was 17,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Miami-Nassau, Bahamas, was 17,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Miami-Turks & Caicos, was 17,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
NYC-Cleveland, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
NYC-Montreal, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
NYC-Toronto, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Melbourne-Sydney, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Los-Angeles-Las Vegas, was 12,500 miles, now 4,500 miles.
Los-Angeles-Cabo San Lucas, was 17,500 miles, now 7,500 miles.
NYC-Chicago, was 12,500 miles, now 7,500 miles.
NYC-Miami, was 12,500 miles, now 7,500 miles.
Cleveland-Miami, was 12,500 miles, now 7,500 miles.
Chicago-Los Angeles, was 12,500 miles, now 10,000 miles.
Los Angeles-Hawaii (HNL/KOA/LIH/OGG), was 17,500, now 12,500 miles.
NYC-Costa Rica, was 17,500 miles, now 12,500 miles.
Easter Island-Papeete, Tahiti, was 37,500 miles, now 12,500 miles.
NYC-London, was 25,000 miles, now 20,000 miles.

Others remain the same:
NYC-Los Angeles, was 12,500 miles, now 12,500 miles.
Miami-Los Angeles, was 12,500 miles, now 12,500 miles.
NYC-Tel Aviv, via London, was 32,500 miles, now 32,500 miles.

While others get worse:
London-Tel Aviv, was 10,000 miles, now 12,500 miles.
NYC-Buenos Aires, was 20,000 miles, now 25,000 miles.
NYC-Hong Kong, was 25,000 miles, now 35,000 miles.

Connecting flights generally get worse across the board:
Cleveland-Los Angeles, via Chicago, was 12,500 miles, now 14,500 miles.
Tel Aviv-Paris, via London, was 10,000 miles, now 17,000 miles.
Cleveland-Los Angeles, via Dallas, was 12,500 miles, now 17,500 miles.
NYC-Los Angeles via Dallas, was 12,500 miles, now 20,000 miles.
NYC-Honolulu, via Los Angeles, was 17,500 miles, now 25,000 miles..
NYC-Buenos Aires, via Miami, was 20,000 miles, now 32,500 miles
NYC-Honolulu, via Dallas, was 17,500 miles, now 30,000 miles.
NYC-Honolulu, via Chicago, was 17,500 miles, now 32,500 miles.
Los Angeles-Buenos Aires, via Dallas, was 20,000 miles, now 35,000 miles
Los Angeles-Buenos Aires, via Miami, was 20,000 miles, now 37,500 miles
NYC-Easter Island, via Santiago, was 20,000 miles, now 37,500 miles.
NYC-Singapore, via Hong Kong was 25,000 miles, now 45,000 miles.

Think that pretty much raps it up, at least from a US point of view

GrizShel

Thanks for posting this info, very helpful.

HIDDY

Similar thread here without the hidden agenda.

Cap'n Benj

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