US Members: What can I relay to BA for you in person tomorrow?
#31
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: PHX
Programs: Hilton Silver;Hertz Gold 5*;National Exec Elite;BA Bronze;AA-PLT
Posts: 66
It turns out we share the same "home" airport, although mine is temporarily FRA. I have but a few recommendations:
Refresh the PHX lounge. It's not bad, but a bit of an upgrade would be nice.
Offer Sleeper Service for PHX-LHR.
Add car service for J and F passengers (a la Emirate's Chauffeur-drive)
Thanks!
Refresh the PHX lounge. It's not bad, but a bit of an upgrade would be nice.
Offer Sleeper Service for PHX-LHR.
Add car service for J and F passengers (a la Emirate's Chauffeur-drive)
Thanks!
#32
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: London
Programs: Mucci. Nothing else matters.
Posts: 38,644
BA178 currently departs JFK at 0830, which already makes for a pretty early start that day. Even then, it doesn't arrive at LHR until 2015 (scheduled duration 6:45), and there are few sensible and valid connections that can then be made.
But if a flight were to depart from JFK at 0830 for FRA, with a scheduled duration of say, 7:45), this wouldn't arrive at FRA until 2215 (6 hour time zone difference). By then, I think there are virtually no connections that can be made at FRA.
Durations to PAR aren't much different, and AMS is only fractionally shorter, so you'd get the same sort of problems there.
It's worse if you operate a 767 or a 340.
This may be one of the reasons why London is fortunate to have a handful of daylight eastbounds.
#33
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Location: The Hague, NL
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#34
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mostly AUS or rural England
Programs: BAEC redundant Bronze, AAdvantage Lifetime PLT, CO, WN, B6
Posts: 6,526
Edited to add : now I think I it, I finally see convergence; over the last few years, BA has acquired the honesty in advertising of Tesco. Ahhh, everything is beginning to fall into place.
#36
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Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: BA/AA/AS/B6/WN/ UA/HH/MR and more like 'em but most felicitously & importantly MUCCI
Posts: 19,725
It's the opacity that degrades trust actually. Do they not see the downside of not publishing an awards chart we can all point to? I am much more suspicious of the ask-the-oracle ("calculator") model.
#38
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: London
Programs: BA Gold, LH Sen, MUCCI, Junior Jet Club.
Posts: 8,111
The vast majority of passengers will choose an airside transfer T3-T5, rather than having to enter the UK at T3 and get a landside bus to T5, just for the sake of getting a slightly better breakfast.
#39
Community Director Emerita
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: Anywhere warm
Posts: 33,829
When will we have an award chart for Alaska Airlines?
Why are we charged a telephone booking fee when there is no way to book Alaska Airline flights online?
The US has a hub and spoke system that means awards are substantially more costly for anyone who does not live in a hub. Is BA considering allowing connections without additional points as they are doing in the UK?
Why are we charged a telephone booking fee when there is no way to book Alaska Airline flights online?
The US has a hub and spoke system that means awards are substantially more costly for anyone who does not live in a hub. Is BA considering allowing connections without additional points as they are doing in the UK?
#40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: BOS
Programs: BA Silver, Mucci
Posts: 5,289
When will we have an award chart for Alaska Airlines?
Why are we charged a telephone booking fee when there is no way to book Alaska Airline flights online?
The US has a hub and spoke system that means awards are substantially more costly for anyone who does not live in a hub. Is BA considering allowing connections without additional points as they are doing in the UK?
Why are we charged a telephone booking fee when there is no way to book Alaska Airline flights online?
The US has a hub and spoke system that means awards are substantially more costly for anyone who does not live in a hub. Is BA considering allowing connections without additional points as they are doing in the UK?
#41
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,513
I think I know what you are getting at, but it may not be the best way of asking it. The new T&C we're published right at the front end, several weeks in advance. So saying they just threw them away isn't quite right. ISBC but I suspect you mean - "Can you trust a company that 'sneaks' in a radically different partner reward table with no notice, particularly when it was implied that there would be minimal change to reward levels and many members took this to imply partner rewards too? And how concerned are BAEC that this change to partner rewards appears to disproportionately affect members in a part of the world which is important to BA - viz north America? Are there any plans to address the discontent this has generated, even if they cannot currently be elaborated upon?"
#42
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mostly AUS or rural England
Programs: BAEC redundant Bronze, AAdvantage Lifetime PLT, CO, WN, B6
Posts: 6,526
I'd love to see it, though I suspect they've considered and rejected it. At this point it's going to take at least a year, falling revenues in North America and BAEC members leaving in droves before anything changes.
FWIW I wondered why they didn't opt for an end-to-end distance given the US hub & spoke model, and then I realized they have no reasonable way to price examples like AUS-IAH or BRU-CDG.
My guess is they know this solution isn't perfect, but it's the one that minimizes the impact on the customer group that's currently at the center of their focus, and they've obviously done some study that reassures them they can live without idiots like me.
FWIW I wondered why they didn't opt for an end-to-end distance given the US hub & spoke model, and then I realized they have no reasonable way to price examples like AUS-IAH or BRU-CDG.
My guess is they know this solution isn't perfect, but it's the one that minimizes the impact on the customer group that's currently at the center of their focus, and they've obviously done some study that reassures them they can live without idiots like me.
#43
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
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Posts: 2,533
#44
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Mostly AUS or rural England
Programs: BAEC redundant Bronze, AAdvantage Lifetime PLT, CO, WN, B6
Posts: 6,526
I think I know what you are getting at, but it may not be the best way of asking it. The new T&C we're published right at the front end, several weeks in advance. So saying they just threw them away isn't quite right. ISBC but I suspect you mean - "Can you trust a company that 'sneaks' in a radically different partner reward table with no notice, particularly when it was implied that there would be minimal change to reward levels and many members took this to imply partner rewards too? And how concerned are BAEC that this change to partner rewards appears to disproportionately affect members in a part of the world which is important to BA - viz north America? Are there any plans to address the discontent this has generated, even if they cannot currently be elaborated upon?"
24.1. British Airways may modify, withdraw, amend or add to any Services or other offers or arrangements or impose any requirements or restrictions relating to the use of Services or Rewards. British Airways will give as much advance notice as practicable of such action to Members. Current information is set out on ba.com.
#45
Join Date: Apr 2011
Posts: 3,513
Ah, similar thought then - ie the no notice major change. Maybe "does BAEC believe it complied with the spirit, and letter, of 24.1 when it gave no notice of sector based reward pricing? As this disproportionally affected NA (and mainland European BTW) members do you have plans to address their concerns?"