What are your feelings about off duty CC being upgraded to Club whilst you remain in
Aug 16, 2011, 7:18 pm
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Great post!
When I pay for a seat on an aeroplane I have the choice to spend as much or as little as I like to sit in the cabin of my choice, be that Y, J or any letter in between.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on and if the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on and if the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
Aug 16, 2011, 8:39 pm
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I have no problem with BA rewarding it employees in this way and see it as their business if they want to take that approach. Similarly, while it does irritate, I think BA are entitled to prioritise discretionary op-ups in any way they like. If they moved to the common US carrier approach of allocating available premium seats to high status passengers as a benefit, then I would feel very differently about it all.
Where I do have a problem is where employees' perks override what a passenger is actually entitled to. Seeing what are obviously staff sitting in exit row seats which haven't been available to status passengers is particularly annoying for me.
Where I do have a problem is where employees' perks override what a passenger is actually entitled to. Seeing what are obviously staff sitting in exit row seats which haven't been available to status passengers is particularly annoying for me.
Aug 17, 2011, 12:04 am
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When I pay for a seat on an aeroplane I have the choice to spend as much or as little as I like to sit in the cabin of my choice, be that Y, J or any letter in between.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on, whether that be Mr and Mrs Double-Barrelled Surname or a crew member being upgraded. If the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on, whether that be Mr and Mrs Double-Barrelled Surname or a crew member being upgraded. If the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
Aug 17, 2011, 1:22 am
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Could not care less where anyone is taken and which cabin they end up. I am sure OpUps (or in this case "friendly" Ups) happen on most flights and we don't witness 99% of them. Why obsess?
I always think I'll fly in the ticketed cabin and any upgrade is a pleasant suprise. I never think I am more worthy of an upgrade than other people.
All of my OpUps happened on the LHR-JFK-LHR flights which, from what I gather from BA staff members on FT, are full of Golds and Silvers. And on at least 4 occasions BA thought that I and my bf were more worthy of an upgrade than other card holders... And I am grateful for that.
I always think I'll fly in the ticketed cabin and any upgrade is a pleasant suprise. I never think I am more worthy of an upgrade than other people.
All of my OpUps happened on the LHR-JFK-LHR flights which, from what I gather from BA staff members on FT, are full of Golds and Silvers. And on at least 4 occasions BA thought that I and my bf were more worthy of an upgrade than other card holders... And I am grateful for that.
Aug 17, 2011, 1:32 am
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Aug 17, 2011, 4:19 am
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When I pay for a seat on an aeroplane I have the choice to spend as much or as little as I like to sit in the cabin of my choice, be that Y, J or any letter in between.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on, whether that be Mr and Mrs Double-Barrelled Surname or a crew member being upgraded. If the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
When I choose my cabin that's where I expect to sit, it is what I have paid for. What is going on around me, and who is being shuffled into whatever seat is of no concern to me unless the plane is diving earthwards at around 10,000 feet a minute and it's time to meet my maker!
People have this thing about upgrades, for God's sake if you want to sit in J pay for it. Otherwise it is no business of anybody what is going on, whether that be Mr and Mrs Double-Barrelled Surname or a crew member being upgraded. If the upgrade finger of fortune should happen to land on your shoulder then accept it, enjoy it, don't flaunt it and most importantly if you are left back in 55E on that 12 hour flight, just remember that is what you paid for.
This is such a non-issue thread, why on earth would it be anybodys business where an airline employee or anyone else is seated - as long as you are receiving the product you have paid for?? Sure, we all enjoy a 'freebie' but how anybody can feel entitled to receive a product better than they have paid for is beyond me. I never order a Big Mac and expect to receive a filet mignon - why would it be any different with an airline?
Such perks surely lead to more motivated staff, and a better product for us consumers. I think it is a given that airline staff should travel premium whilst on duty - and off-duty staff should have space available (e.g. nobody else chose to pay for it) premium travel perks.
Agree that the 'friends and family' industry that is a bigger deal for example at KLM can be irritating as it is often exercised very poorly - but again, as long as you receive what you've paid for, I really don't see the issue...
Aug 17, 2011, 4:40 am
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rathin100..... you ncluded in Y, since on your trip there was one and only one place in F, and you as a gallant gentleman ( not wanting to be deprived that night or any night for that matter) gave the seat to your wonderful mistress and sat the wifey next to the toilets
Aug 17, 2011, 8:27 am
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rathin100..... you ncluded in Y, since on your trip there was one and only one place in F, and you as a gallant gentleman ( not wanting to be deprived that night or any night for that matter) gave the seat to your wonderful mistress and sat the wifey next to the toilets
Aug 17, 2011, 8:47 am
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But what do you do during take off and landing? No pun intended
And my apologies, didn't know you were Asian. Thought brit living ins Brazil.
And my apologies, didn't know you were Asian. Thought brit living ins Brazil.
Aug 17, 2011, 9:37 am
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During takeoff and landing I sit in F and wife comes back...excuse... I need the preflight champagne and a quick one before landing (and I do, I do considering what could happen in between.
.)... quite reasonable, no And since (I think) wife does not know mistress and mistress has (yet) no incentive to spill beans things should be fine!
Aug 17, 2011, 10:06 am
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One important difference is that other pax on board may well be disincentivized to pay for premium tickets if BA go around giving them op-ups particularly if they are frequent and predictable, e.g., due to status. On the other hand msot cabin crew frankly can't afford to splash out on F and J paid tickets so that's not an issue. Of course that last points applies to some of the other passengers, but BA doesn't know which ones. Waterhorse explained all that very eloquently.
And while it's true that a good company looks after its customers, it also looks after its employees. I suspect BA gains a lot more value in employee loyalty from this practice than it would gain from upgrading Golds, provided it is done consistently and not on the basis of whether the CSD likes you or not.
And it is important that it's done discreetly. Some passengers are happy to travel in WT but many find it uncomfortable and stressful. If someone from the latter group sees a compact cabin crew member being moved at the last minute when they, a paying passenger and quite possibly a loyal one to boot, needs the space more, it can be very irksome. And cabin crew travelling in J and especially F (I don't know how much that latter happens) really shouldn't advertise the fact. If a couple have shelled out £10,000 on the trip of a lifetime, they may feel significantly less special if they know they're surrounded by BA employees who they will assume (rightly or wrongly) have not paid for their seats - it's just good PR to keep quiet about it. One friend of mine was rather horrified when, seated in the F cabin on a UA TATL, he realized most of the other pax where United Airlines pensioners.
And while it's true that a good company looks after its customers, it also looks after its employees. I suspect BA gains a lot more value in employee loyalty from this practice than it would gain from upgrading Golds, provided it is done consistently and not on the basis of whether the CSD likes you or not.
And it is important that it's done discreetly. Some passengers are happy to travel in WT but many find it uncomfortable and stressful. If someone from the latter group sees a compact cabin crew member being moved at the last minute when they, a paying passenger and quite possibly a loyal one to boot, needs the space more, it can be very irksome. And cabin crew travelling in J and especially F (I don't know how much that latter happens) really shouldn't advertise the fact. If a couple have shelled out £10,000 on the trip of a lifetime, they may feel significantly less special if they know they're surrounded by BA employees who they will assume (rightly or wrongly) have not paid for their seats - it's just good PR to keep quiet about it. One friend of mine was rather horrified when, seated in the F cabin on a UA TATL, he realized most of the other pax where United Airlines pensioners.
Aug 17, 2011, 10:23 am
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No apologies needed... Im Indian but lived in Britain for 11 years (Uni and work) guess you can say I grew up in there satill keep a small flat in London... My first international flight was on a BA Tristar which dates me...
During takeoff and landing I sit in F and wife comes back...excuse... I need the preflight champagne and a quick one before landing (and I do, I do considering what could happen in between..)... quite reasonable, no And since (I think) wife does not know mistress and mistress has (yet) no incentive to spill beans things should be fine!
During takeoff and landing I sit in F and wife comes back...excuse... I need the preflight champagne and a quick one before landing (and I do, I do considering what could happen in between.
.)... quite reasonable, no And since (I think) wife does not know mistress and mistress has (yet) no incentive to spill beans things should be fine!Keep us updated when the mistress spills the beans, we love a good story here. And if you need miles to buy a ticket to go into hiding then let us know..