Fuel Surcharge Increase effective 16 Dec
Dec 14, 2010, 6:51 am
#16
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Could not agree more. It was introduced on a temporary basis whilst fuel remained comparitively high - amusingly around the $45 PB mark IIRC. Now oil has consistently remained around the $75-$90 PB mark for many months it is time it is reset to zero and build into the base price.
As a "temporary" surcharge
it really is a farce to keep calling it that now...
As a "temporary" surcharge
it really is a farce to keep calling it that now...
Dec 14, 2010, 7:17 am
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Dec 14, 2010, 8:12 am
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Dec 14, 2010, 8:29 am
#19
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Advertising in the UK has to be all-inclusive, but these rules don't apply elsewhere. BA, like its competitors, advertise prices without fuel surcharges whenever it can!
The front page of ba.com in the US currently advertises:
and the site offers Y returns between New York and London for $300 - http://www.britishairways.com/travel...penxtype=click
The front page of ba.com in the US currently advertises:
and the site offers Y returns between New York and London for $300 - http://www.britishairways.com/travel...penxtype=click
Dec 14, 2010, 8:54 am
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For those who wish to complain about BA's YQ practise. Please refer to:
http://www.oft.gov.uk/consumer-advice/oft-and-cd/
It will take a lot of people to complain together as class case to force Office of Fair Trading to investigate BA's fuel surcharge practise.
If Office of Fair Trading can find that the BA's fuel surcharge are helping company income statement rather than individual transaction expense, BA can be fined very heavily.
Alternatively EU have same consumer body available. But it takes someone who can lobby the invistigation successfully to make EU looking into the measure.
Charge consumer more to cover up company loss is not the fair business practice. If BA could not prove fuel surcharge is charged fairly towards the transaction expense (i.e. the expense occured for the particular flight the consumer is taking), it will be against the terms. It will take a professional lawyer team to fight for it. But consumer have ground to do so. As peope in airline business all know that the fuel surcharge is not calculated base on real time cost.
http://www.oft.gov.uk/consumer-advice/oft-and-cd/
It will take a lot of people to complain together as class case to force Office of Fair Trading to investigate BA's fuel surcharge practise.
If Office of Fair Trading can find that the BA's fuel surcharge are helping company income statement rather than individual transaction expense, BA can be fined very heavily.
Alternatively EU have same consumer body available. But it takes someone who can lobby the invistigation successfully to make EU looking into the measure.
Charge consumer more to cover up company loss is not the fair business practice. If BA could not prove fuel surcharge is charged fairly towards the transaction expense (i.e. the expense occured for the particular flight the consumer is taking), it will be against the terms. It will take a professional lawyer team to fight for it. But consumer have ground to do so. As peope in airline business all know that the fuel surcharge is not calculated base on real time cost.
Dec 14, 2010, 9:13 am
#21
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Advertising in the UK has to be all-inclusive, but these rules don't apply elsewhere. BA, like its competitors, advertise prices without fuel surcharges whenever it can!
The front page of ba.com in the US currently advertises:
and the site offers Y returns between New York and London for $300 - http://www.britishairways.com/travel...penxtype=click
The front page of ba.com in the US currently advertises:
and the site offers Y returns between New York and London for $300 - http://www.britishairways.com/travel...penxtype=click
Dec 14, 2010, 11:50 am
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Dec 14, 2010, 11:58 am
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Dec 14, 2010, 12:25 pm
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We may be changing one name of a 4 person reward booking. Should i need to, i will have to cancel the entire booking as i have used 2 x CV's(so 4 x £15pp cancellation fee), plus rebook at the adittional cost of £20pp so £140 total for a name change
Dec 14, 2010, 12:58 pm
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Thought it might be interesting to look at the actual correlation between oil prices and the fuel surcharge, and did a spot of data crunching this afternoon (the Christmas slow down is upon us....). Hadn't realised it has been two years since the fuel surcharge last shifted!
Now, the above doesn't factor in exchange rates, and uses Brent Crude as a proxy for fuel costs, rather than Jet-A, but it's interesting how fuel prices in 2006-2007 were broadly similar to they are now, yet the surcharge has crept higher.
I'd also forgotten about the days of a single fuel surcharge across all cabins, all journey lengths. Who'd have thought that £2.50 would rise quite so rapidly...
Sources: US Energy Information Administration and British Airways
Now, the above doesn't factor in exchange rates, and uses Brent Crude as a proxy for fuel costs, rather than Jet-A, but it's interesting how fuel prices in 2006-2007 were broadly similar to they are now, yet the surcharge has crept higher.
I'd also forgotten about the days of a single fuel surcharge across all cabins, all journey lengths. Who'd have thought that £2.50 would rise quite so rapidly...
Sources: US Energy Information Administration and British Airways
Dec 14, 2010, 2:18 pm
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you could index it to the year the fuel charge was introduced...