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Fuel Surcharge Increase effective 16 Dec
Spotted this on the RNS:
British Airways will increase its fuel surcharge on longhaul services from Thursday, December 16. There will be no fuel surcharge increase to any British Airways' shorthaul services. All longhaul tickets will increase by £10 per sector (£20 return). The move reflects the substantial recent increase in the price of oil. The change will mean: · For World Traveller flights over nine hours an increase of £10 per sector to £76. On flights of less than nine hours an increase of £10 per sector to £63. · For World Traveller Plus flights over nine hours an increase of £10 per sector to £94.50. On flights of less than nine hours an increase of £10 per sector to £73. · For First and Club World flights over nine hours an increase of £10 per sector to £108. On flights of less than nine hours an increase of £10 to £88. |
so if were almost bout to book a flight, should we book it now...or will it make no diff. now somehow..ie. they'd apply it retro-actively?
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From past experience, if you've booked already, BA don't apply the higher surcharge retrospectively - so book before Thursday if you want to save the cash.
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Can anyone help me work out the actual cost spent by BA on fuel for a particular flight? I have had rather enough of this, and if the total of all the BA fuel surcharges comes to more than the fuel, I've a good mind to take BA to court.
Particularly in mind (because I am booked on it) is LHR-SEA... Thanks |
Did the fuel "surcharge" ever reduce significantly as the fuel cost fell from its high of over $150?
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Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles
(Post 15445828)
Did the fuel "surcharge" ever reduce significantly as the fuel cost fell from its high of over $150?
I don't have the historic fuel surcharge levels to hand...but I would bet the recent rise takes it above the level of summer 08. However, to defend all airlines a little on this, the exchange rate is of course a factor and back in summer 08 £1 bought almost $2. |
My rough calculations are as follows feel free to point out any errors in the methodology.
The maximum fuel capacity of a 744ER is 241,000 litres according to Wikipedia. The last published price via IATA of a barrel of Jet A1 is $98.9 so lets say $100 to round up. There are approximately 159 litres per barrel of oil or in this case Jet A1. So the maximum fill capacity of a 744 ER would be 1516 barrels at $100 each or $151, 600. Assuming 416 passengers in a 3 class configuration gives a total cost of fuel per passenger of $364.42. So the total surcharge would have to hit £230 before it could no longer be justified to pay for fuel. |
Originally Posted by Land-of-Miles
(Post 15445867)
My rough calculations are as follows feel free to point out any errors in the methodology.
The maximum fuel capacity of a 744ER is 241,000 litres according to Wikipedia. The last published price via IATA of a barrel of Jet A1 is $98.9 so lets say $100 to round up. There are approximately 159 litres per barrel of oil or in this case Jet A1. So the maximum fill capacity of a 744 ER would be 1516 barrels at $100 each or $151, 600. Assuming 416 passengers in a 3 class configuration gives a total cost of fuel per passenger of $364.42. So the total surcharge would have to hit £230 before it could no longer be justified to pay for fuel. Thanks for this - seeing as that would almost get to australia it is not too far off the actual fuel surcharge of 2 x 9+ hour flights ie £76 x 2 = £152. The calculations look good, but do you know how to work out fuel required for anything less than the maximum flying time? I seem to remember someone knowing a calculation... |
But it is described as a surcharge, which suggests to me that a certain cost of fuel is meant to be included in the base ticket price, but because the cost of fuel has gone up, an additional charge is raised to cover that increase, not the whole fuel bill.
Also, don't forget that they levy a fuel surcharge on cargo too. But really it's just part of the cost of a ticket and how they break it down is up to them. But on award tickets, I think it is mean to charge anything other than actual taxes. |
Originally Posted by jlsw7
(Post 15445939)
....But on award tickets, I think it is mean to charge anything other than actual taxes.
I agree, a redemption should be free of all airline charges, but would grudgingly pay the taxes. However, if BA did take the fuel surcharge out of redemption my fear is the miles required for each redemption would go though the roof :td: |
Originally Posted by BOH
(Post 15446076)
However, if BA did take the fuel surcharge out of redemption my fear is the miles required for each redemption would go though the roof :td:
But, I agree that the lost income would have to be made up somewhere. However, I would actually rather that that redemption levels went up and the charges were eliminated. At least that way it really would be possible to get something for nothing and that, for me, is what these loyalty schemes are all about. |
Which other businesses are allowed to add costs like this? Why can't BA just price the ticket correctly and fluctuate according to all their costs? Tax remains separate of course, like VAT being itemised.
Prices of just about everything else one buys go up or down according to all the outside things factored in. Sorry if this topic has been done to death before, but it's simply a way for BA to keep headline prices low. In this respect, they are no better than Ryanair with a headline attraction. They should fix a new "level" now, with fuel subsidy at ZERO. |
Originally Posted by mlb7171
(Post 15446247)
but it's simply a way for BA to keep headline prices low
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Originally Posted by Cluster One
(Post 15446285)
Except that, unlike Ryanair, BA's headline prices are always fully inclusive prices.
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Originally Posted by BOH
(Post 15445865)
And there is the rub. How can it possibly go higher now at circa $90 PB than when oil peaked at $140 in summer 2008. Like all oil based products, the price of aviation fuel is linked to the base oil price.
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